Thundercats discussion
 

I don't know if there is already a thread about Thundercats but with a new reboot around the corner I thought it would be a good to start one if it doesn't already exist. If it does go ahead and move this to the official thread. Any thoughts on Thundercats Roar? I personally think it looks awful and is meant to shame the original series and its fans.

I think people are taking Thundercats Roar too seriously.

Hell, just look at GI Joe. It took a line about glorifying the military and turned it into a rainbow parade fighting against costumed evildoers, and people aren't crying fowl.

Thundercats Roar is fine. It took a generic 80's action show and gave it a new breath of life. Coming as someone who could never get into the 80's show, I think it's fine as it is. And I think that's the crucial part. I'm not someone desperately clinging onto the original as if it was some sort of sacred text, and neither is the primary audience.

I think people should be more open, rather than so hostile and dismissive at the sight of something different. Hell, we're part of a forum dedicated primarily to 3 shows (Kamen Rider, Sentai, and PR), that regularly reboot themselves each year, with varying amounts of action, comedy, etc etc.

I saw the original show when they played re-runs on Toonami in the late 90's and I didn't care for it. I seen a few episodes of the other recent show and I enjoy from what I've seen.

With the new cartoon coming out soon, you can just not watch it. You still have the other two shows to enjoy. When you had Tom & Jerry Kids and A Pup Named Scooby Doo coming out in the 90's aim to younger kids, it's not those shows ruined their own franchise. People just ignore them because they look like shit and let them die out on their own.

...But Pup is actually one of the better entries in the franchise, especially if you're a fan of fair play who-dunnits.

Yes, the aesthetic is much more openly cartoony, but it also generally takes advantage of it.

Considering Transformers Animated turned out fine visually I will give this a chance. All I ask for in return is to have a Tigersharks reboot in this goofy comedic style and a Silverhawks reboot in serious anime style.

I've been on the Internet long enough to know that sometimes both sides of an argument are wrong, and this definitely feels like one of those cases.

Admittedly it can be very disenchanting when media production focuses on a single extremely limiting style of artwork in hopes of piggybacking on the success of another show- another already controversial show at that. Not to mention this feels like "salt in the wound" for fans of the 2011 series (which I admit was flawed but deserved better than CN running it into the ground with asinine scheduling).

But at the same time, most fanboys need to realized their "cherished" properties were primarily advertising campaigns out for their allowance money. They don't love you back and they don't owe you shit in terms of "respect." And also- enough time has passed. It's not FOR only you anymore. Another generation deserves a chance.

Still, at the end of the day- it's just a show. We should really just relax. If you want to give it a try, that's OK. If you think it's not worth your time, that's also fine. Just don't shit on each other for different tastes. The world shits on people enough already.

and especially don't send DEATH THREATS to animators because you don't like their art style...

I am curious what the voices will be like. I guess a Larry Kenney-ish voice could work given the right material.

Personally, I think it out thundercatted Thundercats. Seems more accurate to the source material story than the source material really was.

Think about it. Lion-O was literally a kid younger than kit and Kat in an adult's body, and then told to lead a team on the planet. A kid in an adult's body because of a cryo accident.

Roar seems to include much more of the childlike wonder at everything you'd expect from that scenario, while also reveling in the sheer 80s-ness of it all and having fun along the way. I look forward to seeing how it turns out.

Very well said.
Though as a 2011 fan, this feels more like vindication to me. Like that show was the line that kept this from happening. But then Chima came along and accidentally buried it, so now we get this. Pretty sure the originator of Chima was a fan of the 2011 reboot too and kicked themself about that but is still looking forward to this too. And even the 2011 people behind the scenes seem willing to give this one a shot because it looks fun.

I hope they release a pillow of the claw shield given the tone of this new show. :lolol

Cartoon is done now.

I remember I was told that you had some old school cartoon fans in the early 90's that was hating on shows like Yo Yogi, A Pup named Scooby Doo and Tom & Jerry kids for making them appeal to younger kids at the time and how they ruined the classics.

25+ years later, no one really cares about those shows and mostly have been forgotten. The new Thundercats and the other cartoon reboots of this decade would be no different in the future.

Just gonna place this here...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afaithTQSaI


Thankfully Lion-o doesnt sound like a raspy annoying brat so thank goodness.

I believe it's designed to emasculate classic masculine tv shows because of "toxic masculinity." This kind of man-hating in modern cartoons is a cancer to our culture. It's being used to brainwash kids into Marxism.

Well, congratulations this might just be the single most nonsensical post on this entire forum. Good job...?

Or designed that way because the current CalArts curriculum is lazy and only encourages lazy character model designs. Not to mention, if you actually look at who gets a show on cartoon network, there is a lot of nepotism.

Look at every single show that has gotten greenlight for that channel over the last 5 years or so. Notice how many of them come from somebody who worked on Adventure Time to some degree.

Holy fucking shit this is the funniest thing I've seen about this whole controversy due to a show using the new popular trend lmfaooooooo

Look on many videos on YouTube about Thundercats Roar. This is a common theme.

Yeah, that cartoon network and much all of the animation industry these days is incredibly stupid and lazy.

Oh my god this is hilarious are there really THAT many idiots who think the cheap and popular art style is really q conspiracy theory to turn kids to communists? Holy shit this is nearly as good as all the idiots screaming that soy is getting rid of everyone's masculinity bwaaaahahahahaaaaa

I’m pretty sure the “Marxism” he’s referring to isn’t economic. The principles can also be applied through a lens of general social interaction. I’ve also told you this elsewhere that the soy thing is just a modern iteration of “stupid hippie vegans” more than anything.

Also it’s not a popular art style. It is a falsely popular art style, not authentically popular and you only see it everywhere because you see it everywhere and people assume that it’s popular just because you see it everywhere. It’s like musicals in the 1970s. Those weren’t really popular, those were just friggin everywhere and creating such a glut that the industry started to choke.

CalArts Face is like the Minion clone, it gets mistaken for popular and treated as popular just because it’s everywhere. When in reality, it’s only about as popular as malaria was during the Groningen epidemic.

By 'popular' I mean "Cartoon Network's most successful current shows use it and will continue to use it as long as it remains as successful as it is". No conspiracy theory about it, it's using what CN knows has been working for them. You could see this in the 2000's with Warner Bros/Hannah Barbara having multiple franchises get baby themed spin off shows, it's the exact same scenario. Why are people too stupid to notice this?

That’s what I’m saying. It’s not good, it’s not genuinely popular. It is an artistic pandemic.

http://66.media.tumblr.com/eb625699b...rk8o1_1280.png

Although if you want conspiracy theories, I would happily blame this on academia and it’s modernist/post-modernist approach to art declaring a toothbrush jammed into a styrofoam ball as worthy of praise and admiration.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtTaOEUH53Y
Or that flying buttresses are a waste of effort when you can just make 6 sterile concrete slabs and stick them together into one boring utilitarian mess.

Again, it works and it's just the current fad. CN has no reason not to use it until it proves to stop working. I don't like it either and admittedly got rather mad at the Ben 10 one. I got over it though as I started thinking of the company perspective. Plus the Ben 10 reboot was actually very well written apparently. If the show turns out to actually be well written, what are you guys who threw a fit gonna do?

That complacency is the only reason it keeps happening.

No, the reason it keeps happening is because it's getting them good ratings. I literally am not doing that cause I don't even know if my TV even has CN anymore. Granted, Netherlands so it wouldn't make an impact either way I think but you get the point. Want them to not keep doing that? Try to convince people not to watch it then. If it stops being successful, it will stop happening

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It’s not about the audience, it’s about the people creating a product. Challenge then. Demand better. Condemn what they do with it is not better.

They're creating the product and doing it like that because it works. If the show gets good ratings, which it likely will, why should they bother? The angry minority isn't as important as the people who actually watch the show. TV Business 101

Well, I think I'll give this show a shot. Never saw the original nor the 2011 reboot.

Everything looked manly in the 90's.

There were a lot of Japanese-influenced shows in the early 2000's.

The new "fad" for the current era is cute, rounded, and colorful character designs. And it works- from what I hear, allowing for more fluid animation.

And to be honest, I don't mind it. It looks cute. And I need more comedy in my life.
I'll give it a try for a season or two, since that's when most new shows (Steven Universe, SVTFOE, Gravity Falls, Miraculous Ladybug, etc.) get their bearings straight. Please don't burn me alive.

As long as they have plushies of the characters out some time after the show is on air and generate enough funny moments, play ball. Would I still like a season 2 of Anime Thundercats 2011? Yes. But after seeing the trailer I am interested. If it tanks it tanks but until then I will give it the benefit of the doubt.

And extremely limited, lazy animation in the 1970s “worked.” The shows do not get good ratings. They get “meh” ratings. They break even. At best.

It’s the business model of Illumination Entertainment and Sony Pictures. Make a cheap can’t make it quick, appeal to the lowest common denominator. This is why the entertainment must be challenged. What “works” should not work. For what “works” is lazy. Lego brings in big bucks with licensed sets. But guess what? There is an ungodly glut of liscensed sets. There is nothing but stagnation. The toy brand based on creativity and fresh ideas and being different is now the same as everything else. How about Transformers? Everything they are doing is just G1 over and over and over again. And half the brand is pointless awful gimmick toys that clog shelves. But hey, “it works!” And let’s not forget Nickelodeon Power Rangers. How all the content was boiled down to garbage, bathroom humor and very basic plots with no characterization and one cut filming. So do Super “seasons.” I guess that’s perfectly OK and it should not be challenged!

Things should not just “work.” Art should not just “work.” You can make a comedic spin on an old 80s cartoon that takes the piss out of it. That’s fine, the problem is that it is being done with such a horrifically lazy art style. Every single Twitter artist doing their own redesign that still keeps the goofy cartoonish vibe isn’t freaking out over ThunderCats getting a comedic cartoon, they are showing disgust with the lazy, ugly, stale art direction.

Guys, I've deleted acdguys original post, and the replies to it. Please do not reply to it or quote it again. It violated forum rules, and anyone who continues to interact with it will also be in violation of those rules.

Well this thread has started well. The original poster was banned. So any idea on how we should go forward with this thread?

Eh I agree with Pixel Dan when it comes to things like this.


This is just WB trying to copy TTG and Gumball's success.