Kamen Rider Zi-O Episode 42- "Tsukuyomi Confidential 2019!" Discussion
 

Schwartz begins his ultimate plan, while Tsukasa gathers an army of Another Riders...

Tsukasa?? What are you doing????

Uh, this is Ep 43 42 already aired.

so possibly final villain is....Another Decade Complete Form? xD

I enjoy this ep a lot more than the past 2. So Swartz was the big bad the entire time and Tsukuyomi is his sister glad we found out the truth about them. The battle between the 4 riders and all another riders was amazing. Zi-O found a way to fix time is to break the timeline which was epic. Finally it took All Twenty Time Break to defeat another Zi-O 2 very impressive.

Next week Another Decade and Kamen Rider Aqua.

As always, Hiryu Kakogawa is boring villain..

Ah..... Tsukasa, his power are stolen by Swartz.

I really curious to the next episode especially because Swartz are become Another Decade. Also Another Drive and Kamen Rider Aqua will be appeared too.

I'm surprised we don't have a Neo K-Touch for Decade, although that'll require a whole new form to accomodate new 9 cards on his body.

I'm worried for Tsukasa. I hope he isn't reset like other riders. He should always be the passing through Kamen Rider.

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Well, this episode didn't disappoint. Lots of movement in the plot, and action abounding. It's interesting that Decade's power has ended up being the linchpin to this series, considering how much some didn't like Decade. Not me, but others.

At least now Sougo is stepping up his game. Sort of. Again, power levels and abilities don't matter in Zi-O, because the form was stronger in this episode than in ep. 41.

I'm gonna have to go back and watch the Fourze OOO Movie War special, because I have zero recollection of Aqua. It's like using a deep cut for this series, you had to be there to get the reference. In the meantime, I've got Kiva to binge on.

Did Hiryu learn it was Swartz who caused him all the trauma in his life?

I think Hiryu is too stupid to learning about the true facts because he already blinded by his revenge desire......

I think he actually listened to Sougo about his parents, and is simply such a salty bitch that he still hates Sougo for kicking his ass anyway.

Hiryu has no reason to blame Sougo for what Swartz did on the bus. He's just jealous that Sougo had a caring relative that took him in while Hiryu went to a group home and must have been molested or bullied for him to be this angry at Sougo.

People are always going to blame things they don't understand. Hiryu blames Sougo for his parents' deaths and yet sides with the man who did the deed and turns the world into carnage.

Chinese subs and sum was out for days. RT is delayed a bit probably real life issues. I feel there's big chunk of missing conversation and flashback needed to level up the tone and stakes of Schwartz big reveal. Royal family eh? The 18 another riders were cool, but could of level them up for a cooler less fodder fights featuring some of their unique abilities. Aqua-neo heisei rendition of showa riders featuring water power up instead of wind power typhoon belt. Non medal power after Poseidon become its own entity.

If Sougo has time powers and only the royal family (Swartz and Tsukoyomi are from the future) has them, could it be that Sougo is their daddy?

Good episode. Lots of plot movement and action as well.

As always when Woz does his iwae its always amusing.

What could Kaito be planning? He seems to have something in mind.

Swartz being Another Decade seems appropriate for some reason.

Hu...I hope Tsukasa will get his powers back...oddly enough, he is still my favorite Rider.

Wait, Swarts dumped Tsukuyomi into Oma Zi-O’s timeline!

So since I watched Over-Time's subs and they batched 42 and 43 together I'll give my thoughts on the entire arc as a whole really.

It was just pretty fun to see Sougo get knocked down and try and put everything back together. Woz's part in this was expected, and makes sense given how he really needs to figure out Swartz's motives.

I do hope Heure and Ora end up being a bit more fleshed out with the status quo shifting like this. Granted Ora needs it more than Heure since I feel Heure's been fleshed out the most of the Time Jackers, and Swartz is finally getting his chance to shine.

That being said both were nice episodes and Daiki stealing Grand Zi-O away works since Sougo's more acclimated at this point to this alternate timeline. If he had Grand Zi-O for the second fight I guarantee he would have beaten Hiryu.

Speaking of fights, that fight at the end, I do like that Tsukasa got a good few kills in before getting his powers taken. Woz and Geiz's banter was also pretty fun. But I love how they included all the Another Riders. Another W and Ryuki finally show up in the series with the surprise being Another Kuuga Jr. I say Junior on the account that it looks smaller than Tid's Another Kuuga.

So adding all the Riders in beside Drive and Decade was a nice touch and really helped sell the grandiose feel of trying to take back the timeline. Though in terms of Another Rider brawls, the fight from Episode 28 is still my favorite.

Overall looking forward to the next episodes since we have confirmation Tsukuyomi and Swartz come from an alternate timeline. So that means more timeline shenanigans, making this a lot more interesting. Plus you know, Another Drive, and Decade debut and Kamen Rider Aqua is coming back so the fun starts immediately.

I am hoping that they explore more of the royal family. Why did Tsukoyomi get picked over Swartz? Was it because she had more power or was it because the family knew that Swartz was an asshole? They never really explained Ginga that well other than he's an anomaly from a different timeline as well as several other things so I expect to not get any answers other than what was given in this episode. Did Swartz go around killing families just to test kids until he found Sougo? How did Sougo get the time powers and are they related to the royal family inherited powers? I'm so confused! :P

Is Ginga Swartz's dad

I don't think we are going to get anymore out of Ginga than we already did. He was no more than a power up delivery boy.

About Ginga, I still wondering why Time Jacker never uses their Freeze Time ability when they against Ginga? Maybe Ginga can bypass Time Jacker's Freeze ability?

I'm constantly wondering why the Timejackers don't just use their time freezing at any opportunity.

Exactly. If the Zi-O riders were a big in the ass to them, why didn't they just freeze time and freaking shank them when they're not transformed.

Not just Time Jackers, Masamune (Cronus) have Time Freeze ability too but also never trying to kill other Riders in Ex-Aid Series.....

I felt Cronus was better at it, actually. You pretty much DID see him use his ability at every opportunity; and he had reasons for not just straight up killing the riders. Sick, twisted reasons; but reasons.

Chronos tried it many times.
He even tried to stop Muteki having it's debut, even before seeing if it was a threat or not, by freezing time during the henshin sequence.

Hey everyone, guess what time it is!

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Time for these two to sort out their toxic relationship already. They've been at this since 2009. For f***'s sake, Takumi and Kusaka have managed to patch things up by now, why can't you guys? Kaitou, are you still mad about Super Hero Taisen? Because if it's any consolation, you're far from the only one who was angry about that movie.

Fortunately, this episode is a lot better than SHT was, though. It's not great. I still feel like astonishingly little was accomplished, with a lot of the drama here feeling completely redundant. Hiryuu didn't budge an inch from where he was previously, my previous comments about Geiz in this arc still apply, all the Time Jacker backstabbing didn't feel too different from what's come before...

It's essentially like Zi-O's Greatest Hits or something. A lot of old material that, as good as it is, just isn't fresh and exciting, and it drags down my enjoyment of the arc significantly. I've already seen Sougo and Geiz flirting a million times. I already knew Woz would never turn against his overlord. We already found out Tsukuyomi was Swartz's sister. It feels like this could've been two episodes easily and maybe even one, if they really trimmed the fat. The whole point of this entire arc seemed to just be to build up to one motive rant from Swartz, as well as him getting Decade's powers. And again, all of that is cool, but I generally get to expect more from this show. It especially bugs me that Sougo didn't seem to grow or learn anything from this whole experience.

The action is good, but I'm starting to come around to the idea Grand Zi-O's fight scenes could use some more effort after that awesome debut. Considering it rivals Muteki with how late it came into the show, I don't think it was too much to ask for under a dozen notably crazy and creative fights to send off the Heisei era. At the very least, that Rider Kick would've been way cooler if everyone was doing their unique poses instead of matching Zi-O, but I want more than that. Why can't we have Kuuga blasting out of one of those doors on the Try-Chaser to grind someone against the front tire like he always did? Have Kiwami Arms show up throwing all its weapons at Another Zi-O while Grateful Damashii sics a ton of historical figures on him at the same time. What if he did his finisher with the Saikyou Girade while Blade was also doing a Royal Straight Flush in King Form and Kiva was there in Emperor From charging up the Zanvat Sword?

I'll admit I'm probably overestimating the show's budget asking for this, but go crazy! Grand Zi-O could've been the most memorable, amazing final form we've ever had if it was portrayed as such. Imagine if every single time he summoned a Rider, it was from a specific point in their respective shows. That's not even a budget thing. It's just a matter of putting the extra effort into the script. Unfortunately, as it is, Grand Zi-O is merely pretty cool. Which, like these episodes, is enough, and I don't want to give the impression I hate Zi-O now or something, but if I see room for improvement, I'll call it like I see it.

Again, watched the OverTime double release, so to review - it was alright. The problem with wiping Geiz and Tsukuyomi's memories is that we get no new insight into their character, and while it's nice to see Geiz'c character development in fast motion, as if to remind everyone that it's not flip-flopping when it fucking makes sense, it's nothing we haven't seen before. The Time Jackers finally get to do something, and it's be disposed of by Schwartz, and you know what? It's fitting they go down so easily. As people in this thread have said, they're useless villains, but, in hindsight? It makes sense. Schwartz is the mastermind behind all this, as much as Hora likes to believe otherwise, and he's not going to give powers to people with more than three brain cells to run together.

That brings us to Kaito. I've seen Decade, I've seen SHT, I've even watched the Diend movie that the Den-O cast were in for some reason. And boy, do I hate his guts. I know it's cliche, wanting Riders to fight for good and all that, but Diend? He's not even an anti-hero, he's just a troll, and his "it's about me" attitude got old back in 2011. So to have it in 2019, especially in a move that gives the bad guy exactly what he wants (Decade's powers, in another question of 'How the hell do Ridewatches work', essay coming soon) is pretty annoying. Is he my least favourite secondary? Yes.

Good stuff is that even with their minds wiped, I do like the characters, so it's still an enjoyable watch, and seeing Hiryu get his ass kicked is satisfying enough, even if he's not quite been enough of a threat compared to Schwartz. Of course, that's the point, but it's still a little off. And Hiryu is a villain who I like for just being so petty, btw. His entire reason for thie arc is 'You took pity on me, stop being so above me, Sougo you ass', which is, if you put it through the usual Another Rider obsessiveness, is understandable. Not, you know, being molested as a child, whoever said that. Seriously, ewww. Also, Another Kuuga showing up just raises further questions about the movie. Shirakura, what a hack.

So yeah, overall, enjoyable, but nothing much of substance. But, looks like we're moving into the endgame. Plus, Aqua's back, so I'm big hype for that.

Pretty substantial episode, even if a lot of it fell flat.

Schwarz kind of comes off as a dull villain, even with his motivations fully revealed. Okay, so he and Tsukuyomi come from a royal bloodline and he was jealous that she was chosen to be the next ruler. But if stealing her powers would make him so powerful, why did he choose to erase her memories and send her to a different timeline in the first place? And what about his goal to steal Decade's Rider power? Why didn't he do that back when Tsukasa was allied with the Time Jackers? The whole thing seems poorly planned.

Tsukuyomi and Ora get their powers stolen. Schwarz finally betrays his comrades and we start to see an alliance between Ora, Ur and the heroes, which is a fairly interesting development all things considered. And of course Hiryu was a red herring. He's not really even in the episode till the end. The heroes reunite and they set the timeline back on course. So a lot happened, but it just didn't feel super satisfying.

I suppose the Decade elements of this episode made up for some of it. Seeing Tsukasa transform alongside the Zi-O Riders was awesome, and it was neat that he could beat the Another Riders in his base form (makes sense though, since he also has the power of all the Heisei Riders). Kaito continues to be unpredictable, first returning the Grand Zi-O Watch to the ex-Time Jackers before helping Schwarz steal Decade's power. And the Decade vs Diend fight was fun to watch, even with how brief it was. I also liked Tsukasa's remark about him ("he never had those powers, but he was always this way" lol). I was hoping for more interaction between the two but I'm sure there will be more coming.

Finally, the timeline is restored but Tsukasa is no longer Decade and Kaito has the Another Zi-O II Watch. I'm excited to see what capacity the Decade cast play during the endgame and the appearance of Another Drive and Decade next episode as well. Oh, and Aqua. Never thought we'd see him again!

Some final side remarks: Pretty cool to see Another Double, Ryuki and Kuuga in the show finally, and the all-20 Rider kick was pretty badass. Still wish they'd get more creative with Grand though, like how he was in his debut.