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Kamen Rider Zero-One Episode 43- "That Is A Heart!" Discussion
All Riders must unite to stop the rampage of Kamen Rider Ark-One. But can this monster be defeated???
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Honestly, super excited to see how the series ends. This episode sets up Ark One vs Ark Two, which would be super interesting to see
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More forms next week for two character
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Who could Fuwa be punching in the Zero-Two belt here? Also, I'm hoping that Horobi does a bait-and-switch and uses the Ark-Two key against Azu. Kinda reigniting a core part of Kamen Rider which was having hero's power originating from the villain and using it against them. |
Isn't Zero Two just Gai?
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I'm trying my best to not think too far outside the context of this episode while watching it, but all during Jin's death scene, I kept thinking about the fact that we've seen this very character die and then inexplicably come back already, so that kinda took a bit of steam out of it for me. A shame because it was really well done. When was the last time the show even brought up the fact that Jin and Horobi and technically child and parent? Not since Jin's first transformation, I'm pretty sure...
My prediction for the next episode is that Aruto, realising he's only continuing this terrible cycle of malice after killing Jin, is going to fight Horobi but actually plans on letting Horobi kill him in order to break this cycle. Of course, I expect something or someone to interrupt! EDIT: I suddenly want to elaborate that feeling bugging me during Jin's scene is not because I believe he will come back. I don't actually know if he will since we're so close to the end of the show and he's probably served every purpose he could. It's just that having the knowledge that he's came back once before makes it harder for me to take that whole scene as sincerely as I'd want to. |
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@Topic: I really don’t like the new form for Fuwa - would’ve been cool if it was Naki instead, or you know, paint it orange and give it to Yua. |
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That said, Zero One has made more bewildering decisions before so I wouldn't be too surprise (but I'd still be disappointed!!) if it ends up being just as simple as Naki giving Fuwa the Japanese Wolf key... |
You have got to be kidding me. They could've given Yua a new form instead of this.
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So... I have no idea who this is. Best guess I have is that this is bait, in reality Zero-Two won’t be in the episode, this is Vulcan facing Ark-One and Fuwa tries to talk sense into Aruto, reminding him of what he once was, and this image pictures the very second the Ark-One suit switches into the Zero-Two suit and then back. Just a mental image given form. https://i.imgur.com/5x3MvjN.jpg |
I'd actually love it if Aruto decided to just swap back to 02 in order to deal with Fuwa.
It'd make him especially broken if he just decided "I'mma switch between two of my most powerful forms on a whim" |
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Aruto leaves the compound, stumbles around a bit, and then gets confronted by Fuwa who transforms into J. Wolf Vulcan. The two fight inside another compound, with Aruto doubting himself and eventually takes down Fuwa. Either killing him (not likely) or destroying his belt and key for good. In then end, Aruto's hunger for revenge against Horobi is much stronger than his doubt. Stuff happens with HIDEN and AIMS. People probably protesting against HIDEN. Horobi heads back to the MJBR.net base, reminiscing Jin's death, Raiden approaches him, punches him in the chest and some tough words that gives Horobi the motive for something and then the final part is Azu arranging a final duel between Aruto and Horobi sporting the old Zero-One driver with a new attachment. I mean, we never saw Ark-Zero destroy the old driver, just hack it. Both transform, with them revealing Horobi's new form (possibly a re-colored Zero Two or Rising Hopper) and then episode ends. The pic with Raiden putting his fist on Horobi I feel is the strongest indication that Horobi will turn to the side of good. |
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It's immediately after Zero-Two finishes Ark-Zero. |
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This episode was amazing. Really, really good.
The emotions, the action, the environments - it exceeded at everything. From the start were Aruto's gang doesn’t want to believe it's him being Ark, desperately clinging to the idea that he's just brainwashed, to the end with Horobi and Jin's relationship as father and son. I would've never imagined the show would turn out like this, but breaking the circle of hatred really is a fitting theme to complete the story. I'm not sure if I ever was this excited seeing the finale of a Rider show developing in front of my eyes before. I just wish that they don’t chicken out at the end and completely redeem Aruto within minutes. But them strictly going against the believe that you cannot end a conflict by striking down your enemy makes me hopeful that it won’t end with Aruto as Zero-Two Rider-kicking whoever is the Ark at that point. |
I think by this point, As has pulled an Enter and is now the big bad of the show.
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Blowing up Ark-Zero for good was one of the best decisions this show has ever made. The story we're getting at the end here instead, one driven not by heroes fighting an easily defined menace to existence, but by the clashing emotions and creeds of layered *people* with the capacity for both kindness and cruelty, is vastly more interesting. These last two episodes have astounded me with how much I'm on board with the decisions the writing is making. It's a feeling I'd almost totally forgotten I could have towards Zero-One, but right at this moment, I'm feeling it more strongly than I ever have, even back in the glory days of 2019. There's a lot of potential here for the show to completely blow all this newfound momentum right at the end, admittedly. Depending on how they wrap the series up, I could be looking back on these posts later and either be pleased by the knowledge things worked out, or filled with my very own malice at the idea I was suckered by the show twice, but I'm not going to downplay how well this is working for me in the moment. Having the drama be driven by things that are internal, by the decisions characters make, and not merely by the obstacles placed in their path, that's always been my kind of story. To see Zero-One come down to this conflict between two characters starting to waver in what were once firmly held sets of beliefs, it's just about everything I could ever want. It's not exactly erasing the issues the show undeniably has. I still 1000% doubt Gai will get a satisfying resolution, for example, and Yua's probably destined to keep drawing the short straw to the very end. But the core of the plot, the real thematic meat, I think they're *nailing* that right now, and the result is some of the most intense episodes of Kamen Rider I've seen in a long while. It's also, uh... it's also reminding a lot of Faiz's endgame, which could mean a lot of things to a lot of people. Good news to some, bad news to others, or maybe just an ill omen all around. Who knows?! What I do know is that I'm on the edge of my seat, eagerly anticipating whatever's next, because if it stays at this level of quality, it could turn out to be something special. One thing I'm particularly interested to see is who the director for the last two will be. At this point I'm almost thinking Sugihara's raw energy would be a poorer fit for the mood of the plot than Tasaki, who continues to add a real sense of weight to what was generally a rather frenetic series. Stuff like those shots of Ark-One where the background goes away, or that one of Jin's earpiece falling that must've required a million takes to get exactly right, the perfect match cut right after of Ark-One limping away transitioning to Aruto... I mean, that second one is arguably a bit heavy-handed, but still. Just a gorgeous episode all around. I also have no smooth way to mention this, and it's the kind of thing only I care about, but you've gotta love that Fumiya Takahashi's credit in the opening has gone from reading "Aruto Hiden/Kamen Rider Zero-One" to "Aruto Hiden/Kamen Rider Zero-Two" to "Aruto Hiden/Kamen Rider Ark-One" in such a short span of time. It's like, man, I can't even read the credits without it being melancholy. :lol Quote:
https://i.imgur.com/ejZAEV8.png Despite this defense and the glowing praise, though, I still do feel a lot of sympathy for anyone being left cold by Zero-One! It's a long way from a perfect series! |
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I hope who ever is doing the damage make-up comes back for the next series, Jin's damage (and Izu's in the previous episode) looked quite nice for a Toei production.
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Something suddenly bugs me:
If Zero-One was initially unable to be used without ZEA's (and IZU's) approval, does this also mean Zero-Two is unable to be used without IZU? Is that why Aruto's so quick to fall into Ark-One? Without Izu he is unable to henshin to Zero-Two. |
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This episode has me thinking even more that I might really like Aruto as Ark.
But man, at the same time, I just can't stop thinking of how different it might be had a good chunk of episodes not been cut. Maybe we'd have still ended up here, but with some more meat to it. And some of the supporting characters not lacking a bit in motivation or action |
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Curious how it'll be back next episode from the preview, but I'm betting some people already guessed here correctly that it'll just be an imagination thing between Aruto and Fuwa. |
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Zero-Two as a form definitely got screwed over, I don’t know what their intent was initially but we ended up with a slightly less interesting Shining Hopper. Which is a shame because the suit is one of the best final forms ever IMO. But - we also got Ark-One. Arguably an even better "final" form. |
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So as far as powers go, Zero-Two didn’t impress me much. Probably the weakest upgrade Aruto had. But it is a really pretty to look at suit, I love how as a final form it is "just" a new base form. That’s the only thing I miss which might have been lost due to the break, Zero-Two deserved more screen time to develop it presence within the show. |
I think Zero-Two could have been done better if it was more explicitly about doing Shining better -- as well as everything Assault and Cluster did but better. Imagine him defeating Ark by teleport-rushing it, then sending the Shine System at it, using metal clusters to defend; and finally Jumping To The Sky Turning To A Rider Kick. I think in lieu of something completely new, that really would have been a good way to do it.
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Like, maybe the red metal on his gauntlets could be Hiden metal which can liquefy and travel around his body. To protect against attacks, or to reinforce different attacks (travel to fists, elbows, knees, legs, feet) but mach faster, so basically whenever he hits something the red metal is at that body part which makes contact with the enemy. The Shine System I would shrink down so there’s one Shine Cryster embedded in each fingertip. And maybe he could do something like Symetra for Overwatch with it, create light constructs? Shining's effect I have no idea for except maybe crank it up to 11 so that here's not one best attack patter but hundreds. So imagine the CG effect from Shining Hopper were 5 different possibilities appeared on screen but instead it's multiple dozens and instead of one lighting up green, showcasing the best possible attack has been found, it's at least a handful and all are executed in succession. Just my ideas, although personally I would've liked for Zero-Two to do something really new, not just be better than its predecessors at everything. It also needed more holographic scarf action. |
I think I can hear Toei's CGI Budget crying at these cool abilities.
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Giving Zero-Two any fancy abilities at all completely misses the point of Zero-Two in my opinion. The simplicity that makes the design so great should be reflected in a fighting style that eschews elaborate gimmicks. It doesn't need anything more than the absolute basics because it represents, in-universe, those basics being refined to their absolute pinnacle. Honestly, I even loved the suit double thing more than Shining Hopper's version for being such a simple yet clever practical effect. Zero-Two is essentially the exact opposite of Grand Zi-O to me. The less big they go with it, the better.
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It's easy to imagine the "stunt doubles" of 02 being actual physical duplicates created by a combination of the tech from the previous Hopper forms (MetalCluster's metal constructs to form the body, ShiningAssault's Shine system to control it remotely, Shining's attack simulation to confuse the enemy about which is the real 02 and which is the duplicate), but that ability being complicated enough that he's limited to one duplicate at a time.
But if that was what the writers intended, it would be weird for them to not explicitly show off "this new form can create a duplicate of itself!" |
The story reason for Zero Two makes sense. A fresh new start, but a better start, a stronger foundation, stronger learning, better outcomes.
Personally, the relatively simple design really appeals to me. Sometimes I feel that rider forms get more and more exaggerated as they get upgraded, until at a certain point they might as well be Iron Man suits. |
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