Kamen Rider Saber Episode 13- "I Will Stick To My Convictions!" Discussion
 

Touma has begun to recover his lost memories. What secrets does his mind truly hold?

I really want to see Tassel interact with the cast.

Here is raw to anyone who want watch Saber Dragonic Knight's debut

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1zeaIkR5CA

So, that pretty much confirms Kento becomes Calibur? If we don't see Kamijo or Kento's actors getting flowers, then they're still both candidates for Calibur. Kinda makes want a dual Calibur thing to happen. Tho, I'll be a bit mad if they play the "Who is Calibur??" game again for Q2.

Also, we still have to hand off Ikazuchi to another user since it's unlikely for Bandai to just throwaway a user of the main henshin toy. Plz be Reika or Mei.

A bit iffy on the parts where the camera goes back to the SOL members cheering on Touma twice, but it's fine. Dragonic Knight looked amazing especially with the Not Dragvisor.

It was cool to see Ren show any other emotions than monster energy happy. Him crying his eyes out to his idol was cool to see. Hoping he gets some development too since he IS one of SOL's youngest members.

Next episode is King Blades' debut (heh King Blade), which is still too quick in my opinion, but eh whatever. Curious to see Calibur back already too.

Okay, seeing the suit in action has made Dragonic Knight grow on me. And I take back what I said in the Saber toy thread about the jingle sucking. I blame the tiny speaker on the DX toy itself for not allowing me to hear the regal theme of the jingle. I could still do without the overlapping narration on top of the song though.

I just wonder who'll take over as Espada. Either Mei or a new member to take up the mantle.

So I just counted how long the Dragonic Knight jingle is. The entire jingle, song and announcement and all, is around 25 seconds long. So around the same as Jaou Dragon's 22-ish seconds.

Still longer than Brave Dragon's 14 seconds. Can't wait to see how long the final form jingle would be!

And for reference I started counting the jingle after the "Rekka Battou!" part.

Dang, they just Burai'd Kento.

yep Kento's not dead also CALLING IT wherver that dark dimension he went too Luna's there too

He definitely is, but probably as calibur since their so obviously pushing that in the preview. And then he'll probably be defeated and free from jaou dragons hold for a bit, and be able to redeem himslef through the power of friendship and bonds! Thereby, unlocking a new dx toy!- err, i mean form, and return to his mantle as espada.

The dragon knight book is growing on me, it's bulky as hell, but the suit, its design, and the jingle sell it for me, but the boosters are still trash in my opinion.

What of Dezast becomes Calibur? :lol

nah they're probably gonna find a new Espada(Pls be Mei) but I can see him being a good guy as Calibur

We knew its coming for all the bikes and big toy item. Anyone remember King Arthur? After all the hype with caliber vs kento trying to find the book as well as fighting for its ownership. Then, it's triple combo that dwarfs it, in turn gets dwarf by JaOh dragon , and now we're at super form territory. However, I feel with the hooded guy there, i feel like King Arthur was a more special powerup than a disposable one.
Where did slash obtain an additional giant book? I thought the rumors was the 3 main books becomes the power up item using the giant empty book as the main vessel.

Just when you think Saber was gonna be another whimsical friendship-powered Disney-happy-go-lucky fairy tale the story took a Grimm turn.

It'll be a waste if they went the gaisoulg, evolto, don armage route where previous saber is just an empty vessel that's possessed/brainwash/mind warp by the evil sentient host. There could be so much material if the previous saber got more interactions/flashback with sophia and previous caliber. At this pace, it might be its own spinoff side story. We hardly know the guy and he's "killed off " with his powers may or may not be transfer to another user.

It's christmas and we usually kill someone before the New Years to make room for more characters to come aka lazer, jin, and some firt quarter rider villains generals.

Note I keep saying make Mei Espada because it's like we already have a BLOATED Rider cast as it is we do not need a new character just to do this, though it would 100% mean the Mei is Luna theory is true

Okay so I compared the DX toy jingle with the in-show henshin and I realised that for some reason they had Dragonic Knight's debut jingle overlap the normal jingle (the overlying narration) with the dragon summoning announcement (the choir part).

Makes my complaint about the overlapping jingles redundant, and I'm more than happy for that, but BOY did it confuse me for a bit.

Um, no we don’t. It’s happened all of once and people treat it like it’s some big tradition and it’s getting annoying.

both Lazer/Jin came back

December marks the end of the first Arc of a series, so since Drive there's consistently been a major revelation or death around the 12th Episode mark to push the plot forward.


Drive - Chase's reveal as Proto-Drive
Ghost - Takeru's First Death and Ressurection
Ex-Aid - Lazer died.
Build - The reveal of Bloodstalk's identity.
Zi-O - Sougo destroys his Driver and creates the Geiz Revive timeline.
Zero-One - Horobi saccs himself for Jin, Aruto kills Jin.

sorry to the megiddo actors but I don't think they're very good. Legiel and Zooos interaction at the beginning :/
Actually that's the acting of everyone this week that was a bit too much, and the many shots at everyone's faces.

Funny Mei always finding the bed of the injured empty :'D I hope it becomes a recurring gag.

I like Dragonic Knight form. I don't know why, I thought it was bulkier, but no. I like it that way.

so everything is set up for kento to become Calibur now. But I wonder how it will be explained after such a final discussion between characters. I hope the memory loss card is not played again.

I take this back, listening to the DX again, yeah the choir is definitely present in the transformation jingle, just much less prominent as the dragon summoning announcement.

What on earth, I swear my ears are playing tricks on me. Should probably stop listening to music with earphones at full blast.

I liked this episode a lot, it was a real good debut for Dragonic Knight.

Honestly this episode has it all. Drama. Emotion. Comedy kept to an appropriate level. Not much to complain about.

Though like everyone else, I wonder what the truth behind the Ankokuken Kurayami is.

I'll say this right now: I'm going to be angry if Touma turns into one of those Riders who only ever uses his upgrade forms from here on out. I see regular ol' Brave Dragon in the preview, which is a good sign; Saber has been quite good about about getting the default forms in there despite all the Books already in the show. But what I'm more concerned about is Touma losing his unique storyteller fighting style in favor of just hitting things hard. The scenes of him trying out random side forms and doing weird special attacks, I love those. It's something unique to Saber and the variety it adds is a lot of fun. When have you seen a Kamen Rider get used as a sword by a giant robot before?

Dragonic Knight is pretty traditional in its execution, by comparison, but at least for the purposes of this particular episode, I did quite like it. It's a well directed fight scene, and Ishida even got to tell somebody to light something on fire, so you know it's good! The end bit where Saber fights Calibur in the form a purple ball of light is maybe a letdown, admittedly (could he not just have had five dragons or something cool?), but overall, it's a strong first impression. Hopefully, at the very least, they do creative and cool things with the not-Dragvisor's ability to read the existing Books though. I know I'm harping on about this, but it's just... there was a really awesome shiny silver form for the main Rider in the last show that got old quick for me, and I'd like not to feel that way about another one.

In terms of the story for this episode, it's not doing anything I didn't expect, but I thought it was quite solid... right up until the end, where it did something I didn't expect and impressed me a little more. Again, Kento is absolutely going to be fine in the long-run (him and Touma have a promise to keep!), but I do like that there was some legitimate, immediate consequence to him rushing out to get beat up by Calibur three times in as many episodes. It added a nice bit of weight to the story, and helped ease some of the repetition of how many swordsmen have been out there heroically throwing themselves on the line lately.

And it's seriously like everybody in this one. Daishinji chills at the base the whole time like the nerd he is, but for the rest of Sword of Logos, it's a whole lot of bruised makeup and laying on the ground making dramatic proclamations through gritted teeth. I don't hate it! It's all got extremely great direction (of course), and these actors deliver their lines with appropriate conviction. Funnily enough, the most legitimately emotional moment in the episode for me was actually when Rintarou did the homo-sapiens thing again. Struck a really good balance of heartwarming and chuckle-worthy. Sometimes it's the little things that count for the most.

This still isn't doing much for me; the most I got was that Dragonic Knight was an awesome jingle. And it's a really awesome jingle! I don't think we've ever had anything that sounds so... so medieval, before? It's so sick.

I also kinda like that Calibur floated away in a glowy ball, and it looks like it's gonna be the standard villain-gets-away-and-the-hero-doesn't-try-and-chase-him thing, but then Touma just hits his book three times and shoots him down with a dragon. That was a great fight!

Even if I don't have a lot of love for this character, i will give that award to Ren.
I liked the Rintaro moment too but that's "typical Rintaro", that's his gimmick to be the nicest guy in the world, so we're going to have this kind of moment a lot through the show.

But seeing everyone say a word to Kento's "final" speech like "I promise/count on us/let us handle this" and then Ren who can only spout wheezes and tears. Contrasting with his usual self confidence and cheerful attitude. Urgh. It hurts.

Considering his dedicated spin-off events + his model/hero is gone, that guy might go through a dark arc soon.

May is prolly the long term Espada.
I always wondered why the closing scene always show the yellow blue and red sword but May is the one dancing.
Finally it made sense now.

Yeah, Ren there's... a surprising amount to read into, and I have to say that he and Daishinji are my favourites right now.

I did like that a lot too! Really great way to showcase his youth compared to the other Riders. Ren has a lot of good groundwork going for him as a character; they just need to start capitalizing on it going forward.

Mei as Ikazuchi wielder will be mind blowing.

I meant, it's one of the three main swordrivers, you would think it wouldn't be given to ANOTHER "homo sapiens"

im thinking it is mei because she's at the ending credits with the main 3 and espada at the ending is very female like suit. i think it was written she was going to be espada but im guessing because of toy sales they wanted a male character to be the first espada and have mei become espada in the second arc.

I wish people would stop saying that Mei is going to become Espada, when the show has done NOTHING to hint at it. She’s been set up as a support network and that’s it. Being in the ED means nothing. Plenty of characters that never became heroes appear in Super Sentai EDs because they're part of the main cast. I don’t get why Toku fandom has these ideas that every supporting character should transform into a hero at some point, instead of allowing the concept of a supporting cast to exist. Because I’ve seen this all the time in TokuTwitter and it annoys me there.

It depends on the show.

In something like OOO or 555 or Drive, you've got Kamen Rider as 'the' hero set apart from all others. Even when secondaries join the fray it's in that same kind of, set aside occupied 'special' slot. Kamen Rider is still the hero.

But then in other series like Ex-Aid and Build and Zero-One, not only do you have a lot of Riders but pretty much the entire main cast are Riders. There, Kamen Riders tend to just be what the cast are; Build, Cross-Z, Grease and Rogue are just the squad. Saber, of course, is pretty similar.

So it does kind of stand out in those cases where you have the one, singular character of those casts and groups who isn't a rider. ... and who suspiciously tends to be the only woman.

Personally I'd be more amused if we keep going harder on the "oh, crap, did they just kill that guy?" scenes only to have them in the bed unconscious next week. Like if we see Buster get completely atomized in an explosion, then next episode he's lying in the bed with a couple bandages.

If this were a few years ago I'd have said simultaneously dying and staying in bed sounds like a dream :lol

I honestly would not mind if Mei suddenly gets the sword, but very unlikely at the same time, it would fit with the ending dance at least.

I haven’t looked at upcoming magazine scans, are there any shots of Espada not standing up straight? That’d be a major clue.

maybe Mei will be tutored under that souther girl and whipped into shape, turning her hyper energy into focused sword wielder.