Kamen Rider Geats Episode 47- "Creation IX: A True Kamen Rider!" Discussion
 

The end of the world is coming, while Aces' life is waning...

I'm still not satisfied with how the villains meet their end. With all the hateful things they've done, their comeuppance is severly small.

With Daichi I'm ok with if they show him really repenting kinda similar with how Michinaga has done.

Now 2 episodes left I'm hoping for a strong finish from the show.

It seems that Beroba and Kekera didn't get bouquets, so maybe they will get what they deserve in V-cinema. Personally, I will forgive Daichi when he releases all people from his Knowledge Tree. What exactly will he do or has already done.
Crazy Theory: Daichi is not Nadge. I'll explain now. He became Jamato and, most likely, according to the method of Archimedes (for we have not seen others). That is, it is Jamato with Daichi's memory and consciousness. But Archimedel believed that Jamato could develop to such an extent that they would become independent and replace people. So maybe it's still true and the current Jamato-Daichi is a separate person and received only the memory of the original? Of course, the responsibility for the Knowledge Tree is entirely on him, but this can be attributed to the negative influence of the original.

Well, back to regular viewing. First, on the previous episodes: I am sincerely surprised that Daichi was forgiven and was not even forced to let everyone go from his Tree of Knowledge. Apparently, the happiness of these people can wait. Also: Did Jitt just beat up PunkJack (not even that hard) and let him go? Even though he freed Tsumuri? I mean, it's also a show where a much less aggressive Gamemaster turned him into a kamikaze zombie for a lot less. And PunkJack, already knowing where Jitt's base is, didn't show up there with the other riders for the final battle? Although here I can explain that they were waiting for the return of Ace.

According to the 47th: an intermediate episode for getting rid of the villains who have worked their way. Perhaps it should have been shown that Daichi can control Jamato earlier in the show, there were opportunities for that. Kekera laughed, just as before that Beroba experienced despair, which means that their wishes were still fulfilled. The duel with Gitt did not disappoint, although it seemed from the preview that he would be the main focus of the episode. But Jitt is not a character that I will miss. The transformations were funny. Also, those who were disappointed by Kotaro's fate in Black Sun should rejoice, for Ace turned out to be the same Kamen Rider who managed to keep his own will.

But if Ace's will is impressive, then the humanity in the show just goes with the flow. I remember at the very beginning someone assumed that if Keiwa's wish for a peaceful world came true, then weak and pampered people would not be able to withstand external threats. Well, not that they're trying now. That is, Sarah showed the closest to an attempt to resist. During the entire show, we did not see either the police or the military, not a single, even unsuccessful, attempt to fight Jamato or riders by ordinary citizens. Despite the fact that Kurama has not covered his tracks for quite a long time (by the way, they are not going to return him to prison?). Everyone just watches the broadcasts and hopes for the best.
The next episode teases with scenes from the opening. Let's see where it lead.

Also, it seemed to me that in his concept of the Tree of Knowledge, Takahashi was arguing with Hideaki Anno. In Shin Kamen Rider, storing memories in a helmet is shown as a boon to avoid death. Takahashi, through Michinaga, claims that it is still death, even if the memories are preserved.

Keiwa's tor-mentor meets his end.

Kinda wish that there'd be more regarding Michinaga apologizing, and as said, for many things he caused which may refer to his overall actions like JGP or traits like hating all Riders. Obviously Sara will forgive him, as the nice morally upright sister that is also a mini-tradition in KR shows, but it's other people's reaction, not Michi himself. This episode makes an effort to be mainly Keiwa-focused by making all Riders inactive, with Ace being sealed, also Sara and Daichi not being Rider anymore, but all Riders being turned into an animal plushie, as Kekera said so that Keiwa would be the only Kamen Rider to prove that he can't save people alone. It seems comedic, while also highlighting Tsumuri's change compared to Black Tsumuri which was like her at the beginning (albeit with opposite quote), such as now calling Riders by their civilian names, but that'd be another one of Kekera's crimes even if temporary, other than him holding civilians hostage, as I've seen these kind of crime in, Power Rangers SPD.

I guess it's the most "consistent" way to change horrible people like Daichi, through outside means, like shown, as I personally won't believe that it can't come from he himself, regarding how horrible and that horrible people tend to look down on morality and never convinced by it (other than the benefit he can gain), thus it has to be forced upon him by the memories he gained. It also doesn't feel like he's actually redeemed yet (though him becoming sort of better now can disqualify him from pure evil status...), because his motivation to protect Sara isn't some kind of genuine care, but because there's something that finally intrigues him regarding her and Keiwa, about how to be happy, which is an ulterior motive. A kind where if something serves his interests, Daichi can be less of a dick for now. If it's the case, yeah I'd not be happy if Daichi gets elevated by irl audience only because his actions benefit others here, including him controlling the Jamato to free people, unexplained, or to get even at Kekera using him? (I guess even Orteca has similar moment like this in Battle Familia, still not redeemed for that which is good)

Daichi also hasn't lost his obnoxious personality in deeming the Sakurai sibs' life as boring, even though it's what he's learning at the moment. It's my hope for now that he's not becoming a good man, just more chilled like Masamune or Evolt, still only cares about pursuing intelligence, and seemingly with how he stands still while Keiwa fights Kekera, and of course the Tree of Knowledge stuff. Though make him more unearned regarding the good treatment he got from the good side like Keiwa here to have him also becoming amicable with him (-kun suffix...), and him likely getting away for what he's done (of which Revice actually had Aguilera seeking to be punished for her crimes). As what I liked about Takahashi's shows was the cast still being bitter with the horrible villains on their "side", like Kuroto (who isn't actually redeemed) in Ex-Aid and Gai in Zero-One. Albeit this is still better than ep. 36 one, where this one is like Sougo and Heure's moment to acknowledge the previous atrocities, instead of "Michinaga did nothing wrong", but (Keiwa suggesting to) stop their further crime onwards.

Otherwise, this takes me to, the memory/identity altering shenanigans before. Such as, the DGP itself, of which them taking away people's memory and drive for said desires are likely some ways how they can reform horrible people like Kanato, so that they won't cause harm, albeit they'd live as an empty shell that won't strive for happiness. Similar thing in non-Takahashi series is Rook in Kiva or Tsukasa as Destroyer of the World. Despite Ace and the gang striving to create a world where literally everyone can be happy, it's the total opposite if what it takes to probably tame Daichi is a great amount of dead bodies (though it can be restored). Though of course, forcing other people's identities, worldviews, etc. upon someone isn't only done through murderous means, like Emu reprogramming Poppy in Ex-Aid after she got corrupted. This can be purposely done as a way to tame or outright redeem scumbags without violence, but it'd may conflict with Ace never forcing something upon people and reverted people's memories from said DGP who took them.

Other than the usual display of heroism by being concerned about the civilians, Keiwa makes active defiance to Kekera's teachings, and follow Ace's. Now Keiwa rejects making a DGP wish, against Kekera insisting that you have to sacrifice some people's happiness to fulfill the other. With Keiwa promising to Ace to take part in creating a world where everyone is happy, being heroic is of course, not viewing good in statistics, but strive for everyone, unlike him only caring for his family in his heel turn before. Though it's not shown how to deal with you can't save everyone route, but my personal thinking is that, it's ok if you fail, but only due to your limitations, not deliberately offing the unlucky few. Though Keiwa now swears off DGP, he'd still need the Creation powers to fix the world, but in how Ace and the gang use it by not sacrificing others. The episode title of Kamen Rider meaning is shown with the typical Kamen Rider theme, of which no matter where your powers come from, including from evil, you have the control of your power and use it for good... the one thing Keiwa thanked Kekera for.

Now it does feel that Premium form isn't exactly stronger than the supporter Riders, but more of pseudo-Rider status, with Tycoon Ninja being able to actually put up some fight to Premium Kekera, with Bujin Sword being used only for finisher. While Buffa Zombie wasn't able to against Kamen Rider Beroba at all. Though it still doesn't diminish Na-Go Fantasy's beatdown against Beroba as it seems that Bujin Sword is what's needed to can kill off Premium for good, base Buckles like Ninja or Zombie against Premiums are like unmorphed human Riders against Jamatos (can put a fight but not truly beat). There's also Marrella Jamato's fight against Premium Kekera, and Marrella lost. Now it does feel all over the place regarding Marrella Jamato's power of Ninja being unable to put up a fight before, but now Ninja puts up better fight to the one that beat Marrella, is Daichi still held back by his injuries?

Ace once again eliminates the stakes that is built up upon him by breaking off the chains (spoiler opening) due to him using his Creation powers. Though it's established that willpower can cancel their petrification, but turns out that the penalty of using Creation powers won't slow down someone that can keep going for 2000 years to look after Mitsume. Zitt was able to fight both Ace and Win at once albeit with baton, but their fight in Rider forms, Regad vs Geats IX, has Geats IX eventually winning. So Zitt's skills still inferior to Ace's, as Regad has slightly higher stats than Geats IX. It's also quite ironic that, with Ace being similar to Tendou, he's the one facing Clock Up instead of having it. Despite Geats usually having good fight choreography though (I think Geats IX vs Suel Gazer is flashier though), I feel that Tendou's way of dealing with super speed in Kabuto ep. 1 is better than Ace's here.

Suel returns, with him revealing that Zitt is only a remote body controlled by him. Though Zitt is Suel's active attempts in restarting the DGP, I don't know why Suel refuses to directly get involved though, choosing to stay away from it using a doombot like Zitt to do so, when Suel would eventually make an announcement to the humanity anyway with one last DGP, with Black Tsumuri as the Navigator, or either his injury actually lasts for him to sit away temporarily. Even more than the Gang Riders.. now they have only 2 episodes to stop Suel's next DGP plan....

I don't know if it's just a translation thing, but I'm kind of confused by Daichi's characterization.
At first they said the reason he was becoming less evil was because, by consuming memories from the fruit of the tree of life, he by proxy absorbed their moral compass as well. Which made sense.
But then the world was reset, and he lost those memories. Shouldn't that mean he would've reverted back to how he was prior?

And now he's not evil because he feels he can learn more via the mundanities of life through observing Keiwa and his sister?
Like, I'm not against a redemption arc (And this one isn't anywhere near as bad as Thouser's), but I'm just kind of confused as to where all this is coming from. Like I said, though, it could just be a translation thing.

Anyway, meta commentary on riders getting a good ending versus the bittersweet ones of earlier Heisei era, very cute.

He has lost his memories, but remembers the feelings they caused and wants to experience them again.

I think Takahashi is promoting the idea, "Daichi is sad and wants to know how to be happy. So he wants to know everything." But for such a characterization, there is not enough middle between a scoundrel and a villain on the verge of repentance.

In general, all this does not make sense, because Daichi-Nadge is dead. Daichi-Jamato took his memory and appearance, but after that he absorbed many memories of other people. So the current Daichi is a mixture of all those absorbed by the Tree of Knowledge with Daichi's appearance.

Well I do not know. Amatsu, after teaming up with the good guys, stopped the bad deeds (at least until the Outsiders). And Daichi still has a whole tree of captives. That is, I still remember that the matter was not limited to Sarah alone.

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The PunkJack Special showed that the idea of ​​a "life without desires" for losing riders is wrong. They lose a specific desire they have made, but they can have or acquire others. In principle, it was noticeable even by Keiwa, because he wanted to win the lottery, and this is quite a desire. And considering how many bad things you can come up with, I doubt that the rascals would improve. Rather, they just changed the style.

Wait, was Vice finally disappearing not a good thing?

We are talking about riders, not viewers. Ikki is clearly not happy. Plus, Vice is a character whose name is in the title of the show, so we're basically losing half of the main rider.

I know this is a little late as the reset happened before this episode, but what was the point of Keiwa's wish to revive those who died in the DGP? Sure, we got a few new Riders and the re-death of Keiwa's parents, but literally every Rider that had some significance around their death was nowhere to be found. Shirowe, Ginpen, Letter, and even Michinaga's friend (who's death by the way, was literally the entire basis for Michinaga's motivations), literally are not even mentioned. Why didn't Buffa have at least a small portion of an episode dedicated to finding his friend? Why didn't Ginpen show up to illustrate some contrast with the way Keiwa was at the start of the series versus the way he is now? Letter and Shirowe kind of just showed up to die, so they didn't have a whole of relationships with the others in the show, but to not show up in any capacity?

Seriously, this arc was a bit of the breaking point for me in the show. Why would a bunch of gangsters immediately attack and kill someone after being revived? Like, even if they were revived with memories of what happened in the DGP up until that point, there was literally no reason for them to attack anyone yet as the DGP specifically had rules about attacking anything other than a Jyamato. Even weirder is how they would have had the means to attack anyone, as they would be regular people without belts. Except, if they were brought back with their belts, wouldn't literally every other Rider who died have them as well? Given the reaction to both Danpan and a lesser extant Merry, Riders who would outright attack another player was a rare occurrence, and would have been disqualified before having the change to get killed in the DGP, so how could any actually murderous rider have any odds of overcoming literal hundreds of other Riders who, you know, don't want to die? Plus, the Gang Riders would be completely unarmed (who knows where they got weapon buckles), but if they were revived with their previous gear, Letter would have Propeller, Shirowe and Ginpen would have Arrow, and Togetchi would have Zombie. A lot better odds than just Armed Hammer or Armed Chain Array.

I wrote about this in another thread: the time limit and the desire to set a record for the number of riders in the franchise (and keep it as long as possible). If anything, this is not an excuse, but an explanation.

It seems to me that Takahashi finally decided to test the boundaries of what was permitted in order to make a note to himself for the future. Geats is a popular show and it is unlikely that the absurdities in the ending will greatly change the opinion of the audience, who idolized it for a whole year. And the screenwriter will know what stupid things will be forgiven him, and for which he will be scolded.

Keiwa's wish wasn't really something he fully desired, to be honest. What he really wanted was a safe and happy world with his sister, which is what Ace even questioned him about early on in the season. He only clung onto that wish because he never actually had any clearly stated goals before, and he just focused in on that by putting a lot of value into it for himself. When she died, he only clung onto the wish even harder.

Michinaga never going to find his friend more or less has to do with the fact that he's always accepted that Tohru was gone. He moved on from the past, and only sought to stop the DGP from continuing to trample on other people. It would've been a bad regression of his character if he went and searched for Tohru.

They clearly pointed out that Jitt/Zitt was the Game Master of Bad Ends, and hinted that he had a hand in making Keiwa's wish go the way that it did. It was a wish that, while more specific than his first wish of world peace, was still vague enough that they could maneuver around it to make it work to their advantage. And it isn't like the DGP isn't necessarily above changing and adding rules, too.

So they could've easily made it so that the wish gave only the criminal and more antagonistic DGP Riders their memories and gear back, and the DGP could've just told them that they could've gone on a riot with what they got (and heck, Beroba had to go out of her way to give Kanato his gear back, so it wasn't instant for all of them). And that any of the more law-abiding DGP Riders were just not given back their memories or gear. Like I'm pretty sure that resurrected Sara before she died referred to Turbon as a "guy in a weird mask" rather than a "Kamen Rider", so she wasn't brought back with her memories.

As for meta reasons as to why we don't see previous other Riders from earlier coming back. Simply scheduling issues, the fact that they've retooled helmets pretty heavily (especially the Mary helmet), and just the fact that it would just be too many actors to bring back. Hell, I didn't even think they were going to bring back Kanato/Da-Paan until they did.

That seems like an awfully negative light to cast on Takahashi. Like I could say the same thing about Inoue and his writing. Like this is just kind of an unnecessary jab at his character. Like I don't like Inoue's writing (and if I'm honest, Donbrothers is in the same boat as Geats as being idolized for a whole year), but I don't feel like I need to jab it at it like this.

But I think otherwise. It's better than saying he's just bad at writing or giving weak endings. Most likely, this is even praise, because it is unlikely that the show is completely dependent on the scriptwriter and, most likely, many different people and factors influenced the plot twists. In any case, about Fukuda and the same Inouye spoke much more badly and unambiguously. If Takahashi was offended by this, I'm sorry, but that's up to him.

I dunno, I think saying "I think this is Takahashi testing to see what stupid things he can get away with and what will get him scolded" is worse than just saying that they're a bad writer or write weak endings. Because it implies that they're not taking writing the story seriously, instead of just a lack of skill that needs to be improved on.

At least with saying that they're a bad writer, it doesn't feel like an implication of character, just skill. And even then, people argue back and forth over if Fukuda and Inoue are good writers or not.

Well, we just perceive it differently. For me personally, this means that for him the relationship with the work (that is, art) is more important than with the audience (that is, money).
In any case, if somebody spoke about me like that, I would not be offended.

Except, throughout the show (in the Mary focus episode, the episodes where the Jyamato with Tohru's likeness and memories) Michinaga didn't seem to move on at all from the past, just shifted his focus to ending the DGP. That and it seems strange that Michinaga knows the benefits of working with others (working with Geats, his interactions with Keiwa and Neon) so it's odd that he didn't try at all. Not a plot hole, but quite a bit out of character.


As for the rest, the problem is that none of that is stated. Could Jit have manipulated the wish? Possibly, but it is never shown, stated, or even implied that someone else tampered in the outcome somehow.

I guess it's just a really odd choice (a lot of that in Geats). Kind of like if Revice had an event where Stamps got out to the general public for easy access/manufacturing but then literally nothing comes of it. Or if in Saber the Wonder World merged with the real world but somehow the worlds don't have any conflicts or actual interactions. Is that possible? Yes, but it would be poor storytelling.

You can use the past as motivation for your future goals, you know? In fact, the Jyamato-Tohru thing just proves that he's moving forward, considering that he could've just considered Jyamato-Tohru as the real one because it ostensibly had all the memories and even a scar the real one had. But he didn't, and only saw Jyamato-Tohru as a tool to stopping the DGP through his misguided idea of crushing Kamen Riders. He straight out says that Tohru is dead and he only saw the Jyamato one as a tool and nothing else, so how is that not moving forward?

I dunno, I don't think you need to constantly be outright stating or showing everything on screen. I feel like that would just be hand-holding to the audience.

We don't need to see Jitt manipulating the wish on screen, we know that it's possible for the wishes to be manipulated to the DGP's advantage because we've seen it with Girori influencing it so that only he and Tsumuri were now Ace's "family" with the wish in Encounter. If Ace's wish was fulfilled to the letter, every single staff member of the DGP should've become Ace's family. But it was only the two that he knew that on a personal level.

By the fact that Jitt stated that he was the Game Master of Bad Ends and our knowledge of previous skirting around wish boundaries, we can make the simple connection that he most likely had a hand in what happened.

It isn't poor storytelling as much as it is trusting the audience to at least remember a few details from previous episodes to make a reasonable connection, while also allowing them to make their own ideas as to what reasonably could've happened.

Where the heck's Samas? I bet she's intentionally kept as a loose end by Takahashi. She'll probably conveniently appear on episode 48 or 49 to backstab Sueru and take his Zillion Driver, just like what she did to Niram, and then become the final villain. Also, if Sueru did own the Zillion Driver, a more powerful version of the Vision Driver, why didn't he use it on episode 38 to complete the Grand End? Why did he let problems escalate? Isn't DGP supposed to be a God (with capital G) that can create and manipulate virtual worlds (Ace's world being one of them) to their whim?

Gosh. What a hyper-bloated, hyper-contrived story. It's so contrived that the writers themselves are confused and can't finish it as scheduled. This series is so hilariously, laughably bad. Geats is the apex of bad writing.

They both got bouquets, although that doesn’t stop them from being in a V-Cinext.

This statement is contradicted by the fact that years of Akari and Neon were repeated 6 times at the same episodes in the show. So either the author still does not trust the audience, or he has a strange prioritization.

What the heck do you mean by "years"? Do you mean flashbacks? Or did you mean to type out something like "fears"? I'm sorry, I'm having trouble understanding where you're coming from here, because like nothing about this makes sense.

I mean "8 Years of Akari and 11 Years of Neon", which was repeatedly discussed by the entire Kurama family throughout episodes 43 and 44. I doubt it could have been skipped because, as I wrote, they repeated it 6 times in 40 minutes.
Again, if the author had trusted the audience, Irumi would have just hugged Neon in the hospital, without any dialogue, because we already heard that she loves her daughter in the previous episode and will hear more when the family gets together. Nevertheless, for some reason they decided to take the time to say it all out loud.

I'll be honest, I think it would've been equally strange if she just hugged Neon without saying a thing considering how Neon at that point has been viewing herself and her relationship with other people, especially her parents. Because another part is just Neon not realizing that she is loved because of how long she hadn't been outright told it before. And ever since finding out the truth about her origins, she hadn't thought she was capable of being loved because of it. Nor has she been really able to recognize it either.

This isn't a case of the author not trusting the audience, this is a case of a character affirming the truth of their words to another, both of whom are currently at an emotional high at the moment. I feel like that reunion at the hospital would need affirmative dialogue like that between characters because Neon was someone who wanted and needed to be explicitly told that her parents truly love her after realizing it.

I don't think this is the same as trusting the audience to connect the dots between things like Jitt being Game Master meant he had a hand in affecting Keiwa's wish in Genesis to how Girori being Game Master meant that he had a hand in affecting Ace's wish in Encounter/Scheme.

Honestly though, it's pretty clear to me that neither of us will get the other to agree, so I think we'll just have to agree to disagree and end it at that.

Yup, pretty much agree with all of this, makes perfect sense.

It would make sense if we next saw Irumi shopping with Neon. But the hospital consists of two scenes, both of which are talking about the same thing. And both have Neon and Irumi. Hugs could be dispensed with, but there was no need for dialogue in the hallway. All reconciliation could be transferred to the ward to the father.
Plus, a bit of theory. Cinema is a visual art and its main method of communicating with the audience is the image. Therefore, everything that can be shown without words must be shown without words. And this is not my invention or preference, but what people are taught in universities.

Agree. But the last word will be mine.

I don't know what'd be that purpose tbh, because Daichi is never shown to be dead (and it was a common misconception that eliminated means dead, when it's proven time to time again it's not).

It's unknown what'd they pull later, and I don't believe that Daichi is redeemed for now, he'd be like Kuroto, Evolt, or Orteca in Battle Familia, of only doing things to benefit him that involves siding with the protagonists (hmm... Ex-Aid also had the ending where they're working to release people from Game Over, of which got partially ruined by Masamune who commits suicide to spite them). I hope that perhaps the Tree of Knowledge part would be more of a conflict later with Daichi viewing it as his pride, the only reason why he agrees to work with the protagonists later, to take his tree back from Beroba, he piroritizes his invention above anything else. There are no time limit for freeing the people in his Tree though, not everything has to be done in quickly hasty way (which also leads to agreeing with extremist plan or complaining about someone that isn't helped yet for now like donating money to someone else instead of what's "needed").

Daichi forgot those memories, but it's not like he didn't remember that he used to have those, and he also knows he got them again after Ace's reset. While losing those memories, he remembers that he used to have Sara and the other captive's memories, thus their influence is already planted to him even if those memories are gone, thus he still has learned about the concept of happiness and joy. Though I still don't think that this is a redemption arc and it's more like Kuroto (or Evolt or Orteca in Battle Familia), them working with the good guys for their own benefit, Kuroto for revenge against the bad guys, and Daichi to continue his interest of human thinking, why'd you think this is better than Gai's? As I thought the reason why Gai's is so terrible is how, they're redeeming someone who has crime list as severe as those who are already irredeemable (in pure evil category), like Banno, Namba, Isaac, etc.

It's just a suggestion, albeit perhaps no for the ones that rob others' happiness like the DGP does. Ofc it's not guaranteed that it'd be successful, but it's worth trying for something that doesn't cause bloodshed, and if they're still evil then you'd work again to stop them. There are villains that can become nice when got hit with amnesia, like for example, Rook from Kiva, got refered as "Dai-chan".

Because not everything about Rider fighting is playing a DGP game? (albeit the people there often refer to anything as a game). Perhaps this is a common misconception regarding Geats viewers. Not everything about Rider fighting in this series is just playing game rounds to win and get a wish. While the JGP is a game done by Beroba for Jamatos to compete, the Riders like the core trio only fight because they want to, to protect people from the Jamato attacks, as in real Kamen Riders would, they just happen to be given bonuses for the Jamatos, likely so that they can hinder the JGP less to keep attacking people. Ace refers to his own group as his own DGP now, but there's nothing about it in common with the usual DGP of Ace not forcing the Riders to join, but not rewarding them, and the purpose if it being simply to protect people from Jamatos.

And don't you even know that the DGP is on hold for now? Which is the premise where the management wants to turn Tsumuri (or Ace) into the next Goddess so that they can hold the DGP again in other era. The Riders like Turbon are simply abusing their powers to cause havoc for their own satisfaction (when bad guys are given superpowers they can use it to wreak havoc, and they can get away like breaking out prisons with it - why Ouja keeps escaping from prison). Regarding hundreds of other Riders, it's unknown if perhaps Zitt is the one who made the wish turn out this way to screw over Keiwa (bad end for him) and use him as his pawn....

Obviously those who refuse to acknowledge the deeper introspection of something they view as superficial, will downplay it like claiming she should just download Tinder or something (of which, even ignoring that love isn't only romantic that it's already established in the show too, not just headcanon), then get confused when they're working on what's established while blaming the show. The opinions of the haters aren't always the right one with those who defend it being sheeps who can't think objectively.... getting sick if criticism or outright badmouthing are the only ones that is considered right and honest, with positive saying being considered sugarcoating (often the view of edgy assholes in these medias too, of which often got approved irl too). Though you also need to not think that the parents always loved her and "treated her well all this time" with Neon not tealizing it, because they're shitty parents, but got inspired by Neon's actions of keep giving "true love" to others, to make amends to her and show her actual love (the root of why she needs to be explicitly told of being loved, her abusive upbringing, in opposite extremes for both).

Because he's Jamato now, and the show didn't show a way to become Jamato without dying (black cards don't count because he doesn't have any).

Orteca was in prison, Kuroto was in a computer prison, Evolt flew into space. Daichi is still on the loose and could very well capture someone else by adding to his tree.

Later is when? In a crossover? There is no time limit... Of course, after all, none of the hostages of the tree has relatives, friends, or pets after all. Even if for them the whole experience is like a dream, a piece of life is lost. They suffer, their loved ones suffer. Just write that you don't care about the the nameless extras and that's it.
Also, Ace didn't have a time limit, but he still wanted to win games. Although he could wait another couple of millennia until only unpleasant bandits get into the game with him. He has unlimited time, why rush? What difference does it make to him being a celebrity in 2023th or 3356th?

What are you talking about? Why would there be a scene of Irumi shopping with Neon in Episode 44 when there would be no room for that? Fuck, that's what the very first scene Neon has in 45. Shopping with her mom when Kanato comes and attacks Neon.

Won't go over what I said before, because we're just going to get stuck in a loop over this. I don't even know why we're talking about past episodes like this, considering that this is the thread for Episode 47.

And you can say that cinema is a visual art, but you know, it's also a verbal art, too. Dialogue is often just as important as visuals. Some things can be communicated visual for certain, but there are just moments that need to be verbally said. Also, trying to bring in cinema theory/university talk doesn't make it sound any smarter. And at the end of the day, we're talking about a kid's show. Sometimes we just overanalyze this stuff when we really shouldn't, and forget that it's meant for kids.

Wow, how mature. Congrats, truly the winner. Proclaiming to have the last word is truly important.

I'm sorry, but like, was it really necessary to add that? It would've been fine if you replied, I don't mind that, but like, it only serves to prolong arguments. Word of advice for the future, just avoid doing that because all it does is piss people off and continue an argument that they would've otherwise left.

Where on earth do you think that I was excusing the shit that Neon's parents did? They were shitty parents, yea, and they want to make amends because they do genuinely realized that they loved her, but need to make things right first. Unless you mean "you" as in the "general you", I have no idea where I implied that I thought that they treated her well all the time before.

This is what I meant. To paraphrase, the hallway dialogue would make sense if this was Irumi's last scene in episode 44.

Because people write here opinions about all the episodes of the show that have already been released. And if there are more such messages than about the 47th itself, it only says that little can be said about the episode where the raccoon defeats the toad, and the foxes defeat the evil eyeliner guy.

Because I want it. This is my desire and it makes me happy. And if what makes me happy, who makes me angry, then this is their problem, not mine. Isn't that what the whole show we're discussing here is about?

Lmao, you’re an absolute clown.

Thank you.

No, not really? The hallway dialogue makes sense because it's two characters on an emotional high where one of them needed to tell the other what they're serious about what they genuinely felt. Not to mention 44 is basically the accumulation and end of Neon's character arc.

The shopping scene is basically a d?nouement to that, to show that the two of them are on their way to reconnecting after everything that happened. It's not a scene where either of them are emotionally charged at all until the fight with Kanato.

I dunno, I wasn't the one who decided to derail the conversation to bring in past episodes. These episode discussion threads generally are short to begin with.

Sure, but another part of that is how people can still judge those desires and actions, but never the person. And suffice to say, I'd suggest finding a different desire like Daichi is doing now like in 47.

Strawman, because not immediately rescuing (but would happen shortly after) doesn't equal not care (which is more like leaving them be forever). My point was more like this isn't the end of the series yet and don't talk as if nothing would be touched upon again as if it's actual end.

From the sentence "Neon not realizing that she is loved because of how long she hadn't been outright told it before" and "and needed to be explicitly told that her parents truly love her after realizing it.". It kinda sounds like how the parents have always treated her well before but Neon not appreciating those gestures enough (until realizing it now how much they love her), rather than, then being shitty and never actually gave her a proper love before. But sorry if I got wrong impression from those sentences.

I felt like it's done to spite on those who are merely not hating and throwing shades on Geats constantly. Like to demonstrate what is the series "teaching" (in their eyes) to you to prove their point of this being 'depraved series' or such so it'd turn you off and have you join them or something?

And my point of view is that sometimes even an extra minute is too much. I look at it from the point of view of one of the captives: the sooner I was released, the better. I look at it from a rider's point of view, and I realize that I would be thinking about captives all the time. Again, I am not saying that there would not be a situation where they had to be left. I'm just talking about how I would feel like crap and a scoundrel. Again, just give the appearance of action. Although show that other options are being considered other than asking Daichi.

You felt wrong. I'm just voicing my opinion and just like everyone else here. And I?m not even going to extremes, because Zolda?s comment is clearly more negative than mine. And I can even tell him that Sueru didn't use a zillion driver because it was in the future. Returning there, Sueru gave it to the Jitt he had created and sent he back to the past. By the way, in my comments there was even praise for Geats if you really read them, and did not divide them into friends and foes. My air raid rake went off for two and a half hours, so if I had been campaigning on the Internet, it certainly wouldn't have involved a children's show that hadn't been translated into my native language since Drive.
And in my comment, I meant exactly what is written there. Verbatim. No secret strategies. I like to have the last word and I wanted it. And now I want this comment to also be taken literally and without searching for hidden meanings.
I have absolutely no intention of changing anyone's preferences. I know there are people who don't like Geats, but I don't see them as allies. I argue with actions that I consider wrong, the interpretation of events or characters, but not to convince anyone, but to explain why I think so. Stay with your opinion, but recognize the right to another.
But, if you ever organize the rescue of the hostages, still postpone the tea party until it is successfully completed. They will thank you.
Plus, don't breed sacred cows. If you can write that Ghost is a bad show, then you can write that Geats is a bad show. If you can write that Sougo is dumb, then you can write that Ace is dumb. And you may not agree with this. But guessing what a person thought, wanted, or manipulated is already too much. Because personally I mean what I write and I want it to be perceived that way. Please.

And not to end up in quarrels. Ace needs fans who believe he can create a happy world. We can say that he needs a cult of happiness. And this is exactly what the antagonist in Shin Kamen Rider possessed. Considering this and the preservation of the memory of the dead that I have already mentioned, I am more and more convinced that Takahashi decided to argue with Anno.
And no, there is no subtext here: "Here's a fool, how can he compete with the brilliant genius of Hideaki Anno?". By the way, I do not like Evangelion and overslept the ending.
This is just my observation, based on the same elements and their different polarity in these two projects. And the mere fact that I have to explain this is terribly annoying. Seriously, stop fantasizing about what I think. It's creepy.

Now that you mention it, JyamaTouru trying to ruin a fun festival contradicts Touru's desire to build a landmark, which may have contributed to Michinaga dismissing him as a cheap copy. Therefore, I would find it easier to believe that JyamaDaichi's sudden change of heart is a direct result of his Jyamafication, so I'll accept your headcanon as a possibility. I appreciate the irony of someone gaining a human heart by discarding their literal humanity, like how Gentoku raising his Hazard Level negated his motivation for raising his Hazard Level.

Except Win was turned in to a pumpkin plushie, so maybe Keiwa would've been turned in to a ninja plushie if Kekera's desire targeted him instead. I don't even recall Win getting his Core ID back, but maybe that was addressed in the summer movie where Punkjack appears.

Regarding SPD, are you referring to Bugglesworth, who turned people in to dolls?

While I still hold it against Daichi for what he did, I relate to Keiwa that his action of protecting Sara from Kekera deserves some acknowledgement, regardless of his pragmatic motivation. Honestly, I'm just glad that Sara is okay now. Based on Daichi's explanation though, I wonder if his change of heart may actually be rooted in sentimentality, rather than empathy. Evolt's third biggest weakness was sentimentality (after coffee and octopus, of course), as it caused him to frequently delay his perfectly planned schemes to destroy the world. He can't play anymore if he destroys his playground. Maybe Daichi learned the value of making new memories, experiences that he can call his own, instead of focusing on raw data that has nothing to do with him.

I thought this was a satisfying conclusion to Keiwa's arc of overcoming his cynicism and becoming a hero who fights straightforwardly for everybody's happiness. His final words to Kekera actually feel like something a Showa Rider would say, which may be another way of him honoring his promise to Ace, by granting Kekera's desire in the end, even though he didn't deserve it. But I like how it's not a total philosophical concession either, as Keiwa still holds on to his own happiness and shows his worth as a human being, as more than a shallow archetype. Although the part where he claims you don't need to be a Rider before immediately henshining in to Rider was poor timing, haha.

Humorous how Regad Omega rips off Gotchard's goggle flip not long after his movie cameo.

It didn't make sense to me at all. Memories and emotions are separate, despite what Ace claims.

Do you ever wake up from a dream and quickly forget what it was about, but still remember the sensation of it? This is like that. Daichi vaguely knows he forgot something, but cannot put a handle on it.

Strong disagree. I mean, how could Gai possibly stay evil after reuniting with his adorable robot dog? I'm also willing to cut the show some slack, as it was rushing due to pressure from a certain apocalypse IRL.

Okay, so this is the answer to why you think that, from the previous thread. In that case, I disagree, as I believe that Revice is the zenith of bad writing.

There are exceptions though, like this one.

Takahashi can't compete as Geats doesn't have Hamabe. :p

You know, Kamen Rider redemption stories are like a core theme dating back from the first in a way, and while some are a little rough, I genuinely enjoy them. And Daichi here in particular.

Heck, this whole show has a bunch of redemption, and I liked how they all played out here. Keiwa truly had one of the most interesting arcs, it had some problems initially, but I still enjoyed how they fared. I'll reserve my full judgement until the series ends, but I'm confident in saying Geats has been my favorite Reiwa Rider from start to finish, thus far.

I had an ominous feeling when Kekera went into his frog pose, something to that extent was going to happen, but boy, I found the other characters transforming funny. And not only did I get a premonition there, but again when Kekera announced his Kamen Rider Game and people were reacting with "who's Keiwa?" I had a strange impression the people from the Labyrinth Game were going to show up, and (unless I'm mistaken, then just disregard my nonsense) they did indeed appear. As the prisoners.

Now, I do feel like Geats' return was a little out of the blue (at least for last minute), especially with the debut of Regad, which was a cool redo of the Gazer Suit with a coattail(!), but not like it mattered too much since Omega brough it back and showed off it's true face (funny how it's a cyclops what with all the future cameras looking like that). A little last minute, but still enjoyable.

Next Episode: Everyone gets to be a Kamen Rider (She really said "My condolences")! also, that scene from the Opening!