Kamen Rider Geats Episode 48- "Creation X: Tsumuri's Requiem!" Discussion
 

The Desire Grand Prix descends into all-out war on Earth. Ace may be the only Rider left who can stop it...

With a title like that, they need a reference to Gotchard in the episode.

Looked. Well, I'll start with the good. Sueru is not the worst possible last villain. he was the one who started it all 2000 years ago, so defeating him can be considered the final. Also the last game, where people are simply forced to fight each other under the threat of death for the sake of happiness, seems to me the very basis of DGP, the basic version, devoid of all embellishments and troubles. Also, finally, something related to the change of time appeared in the plot, because before that, the people of the future could be replaced by aliens and nothing would have changed.
This is where the pluses end. Are we now making peace with Girori to get the real DGP back? But after all, the game has always been about sacrifices and the taking away of happiness.And now how would it turn out that she was once not bad?
Further. Daichi and Jamato sunflowers. It's nice, but in the most innocent case, these are infected of the first stage, which means that he is doing almost the same as Sueru, using civilians as weapons. And other options are much worse. Of course, I can pretend a little and imagine that Daichi robbed the morgue and put the dead on the fertilizer, but I think if such an option was possible, Archimedes would not be in a hurry to feed himself to Jamato.
Why doesn't Michinaga use a hacked Fever buckle to become invulnerable to riders?
Why does Ace take away weapons and not buckles?I know I've scolded this myself before, but since you've set it up in the show, follow your lore. Although the Armored buckles may not be pulled out, they are smaller.
What Neon and his father did with the audience could and should have been done earlier. And indeed, did none of the businessmen try to blackmail, threaten or bribe the audience before? It is also very nice that Neon decided to change her clothes and change her hairstyle before this conversation, and Kosei did not even think about wearing a wrinkled jacket.
The transfer to the scenery of the opening is as far-fetched as possible. Not only are Ace and Sueru fighting in a warehouse with a set of ruins, but there is no reason for Tsumuri to shoot. In vain, did they return Samas?
Also just because I wrote that Sueru isn't the worst villain doesn't mean he isn't bad. He is very bad. Worse than Giff, because although he was banal, it means understandable. Sueru, on the other hand, pleases the VIP audience, because ... He took control of the Goddess of Creation two thousand years ago and did not come up with anything better than to organize a reality show. What is his motive? Why can't he time travel and prevent all of Ace's previous reincarnations from taking part in the DGP? Why can't he take Dark Tsumuri and make a goddess out of her?Why didn't Jitt transport the captive Tsumuri to the future earlier and keep her in shackles there?
By the way, about Jit. Was it just artificially created by Sueru, or was it also controlled by him? Because if the latter, then a logical question arises: why then were they different? I mean, we don't know much about both, but it's easy enough to see that Jitt is more aggressive and Sueru is more pompous. Or is it like: "different personalities on the Internet and in real life"?
In short, as you can see, the logic of the show just falls apart. It is the inner, and not the realism that Niram dreamed of. If everything is possible, then nothing matters.
Well, I'm waiting for the finale and I'm starting a big review of the whole show. I think I will find something to praise him for, but I will scold him more.
P.S. And still no one knows how to use a propeller.

Don't usually comment on these but like, we got one of the funniest attacks in Kamen Rider history out of this episode and I needed to note that.

Regad/Regad Omega's Infinity ability as a means to utilize buckles is interesting and the progression is funny to think about.

Ninja, summons the Ninja Dueler, okay. Simple enough tbh.

Magnum, summons Magnum Shooter 40Xs Gate of Babylon Style to overwhelm the opponent. Okay Suel we get it, you love beam spam, no need to flex. lol

Boost was one I was wondering what he could even use for an Infinity when he pulled it out. Using the Boost Buckles themselves to stop his fall before utilizing their minor post-use function of them flying off to overwhelm and beat the hell out of someone? Hilarious.

Clearly that attack was being saved for Keiwa but Suel had to use it early :lolol

This episode gave a very Garo Versus Road vibe. And Squid Game which a lot of people said was the the inspiration of Geats.

And why didn't Ace make Win a Kamen Rider again? It could have helped.

And yeah I'm not buying Tsumuri betraying Ace. This has to be their plan when they went back home.

Because the helmet is repainted for Dapan.

So let's talk about Marketing and Helmets, because there are always bigger reasons as to decisions and I feel like acknowledging them helps opens new avenues. And also it's fun to be cynical but also to have fun with said cynicism.

Simply put, Punkjack showing up? That would ruin the marketing they designed for the character. He went out in a bittersweet blaze, returned, you got a taste of his Rider Form briefly towards the end of an arc, but you want more. So watch this Punkjack Special where he gets a cool Buckle for one time only. You want more Punkjack? Well he'll be back in the movie with Lopo and Kellow!

Basically, they've kept Win the character around to have fun interactions, in order for you to long for him to transform. That way they grab your attention whenever he does show up in something and transforms. Especially given a production note makes mention of him "Punkjack 1000% never appearing again" and really...

Punkjack is probably going to show up in Outsiders. One he's a Takahashi character, two, 1000% is Gai lingo in the world of Toku, and three... the Punkjack Monster Helmet still exists.

Let's lead into helmets now.

So it was a bit weird at how the helmet system worked because you'd think they'd be super modular... and you'd be correct when it only came to Armed Buckles. It seems they have a way to push in new lenses for the helmets.

But when it comes to helmets with jaws, they make an entirely separate helmet. Pretty sure we have helmets like Buffa Magnum, Na-Go Zombie, Geats Ninja, etc just lying around collecting dust somewhere. It's why Lopo was still able to come back because while the Lopo Base helmet was redone for Butch and Lopo Ninja was redone for Groovy, Lopo Boost was still a form they could use. They weren't going to use Lopo Zombie because Buffa's in the movie. Like how they kept Kellow with only Armed Propeller of all things (because they weren't going to use Kellow Ninja since Tycoon has Ninja).

It's why Hakubi, Turbon, and Brali never got anything other than Armed Weapons, they never made a Mary helmet that used a bigger buckle.

Punkjack Monster never got repainted into Bear Rider (Or Dapan) Monster. It's why I don't think a Dapan Entry Suit still exists, because that was absolutely repainted to Punkjack. Likewise they were able to bring Dapan back easily because Punkjack never used Magnum so they never repainted that helmet.

On the opposite end, Punkjack Beat was a helmet that was likely never going to get use again so they repainted it for Dapan to give him a cool bonus for his return.

This is all to say, I really love the helmet system and I'm curious if they'll take advantage of all the spare helmets they have for the potential V-Cinema(s) that will come after the series ends.

So Punkjack Monster's helmet still exists, and tbh he's likely showing up in Outsiders anyway. This is also my thinly veiled way of saying "Hey you guys never repainted Kellow Ninja, right? Revive Ginpen and give me Ginpen Ninja, give me my Ninja Penguin!"

Anyway, that's all I have to ramble on the subject matter. Geats is a fascinating series to think about when it comes to some of the odder aspects.

Finally giving context to the opening scene.

After the constant string pulling between the baddies, it seems that the one on the top hierarchy are the DGP audiences itself. The "supporting" roles are the ones more influental throughout the DGP, the sponsors funding it, supporters rigging the game more than Game Masters (and is able to rebel like Beroba), the VIP audiences are the ones that influence Suel's actions. Their bloodlusts are what influences Suel's actions to reformat the DGP, becoming more and more depraved, going from a harmless game to a deadly game with some safeguards, to something where Riders can attack each other (DR), and finally this, a game where the civilians are forced to fight with no way out. The audiences are also literally indispensable to Suel in fighting too, Regad Omega being powered by them, forming eyes all over his body.

I guess this'd be how the game is run without a Goddess, as there'd be no rewards this time, the people would not have an incentive to join. The "reward" is only surviving, like Heaven and Hell, and they are just forced to henshin, and directly fight like Rider War, until the last one standing. For audience's satisfaction. My thoughts are actually, dunno why people buy into how happiness is measured by stats, or how it can be obtained by striking other Riders. Suel's decision to detonate the is also based on them mocking those who wouldn't fight and give them entertainment. They also seem to be partly the reason why Suel stays in the current world for longer time making one more game, because the audience craves for more entertainment.

The DGP being on hold also leads to people keeping their memories, like Kekera's "broadcast" on Keiwa, leading to the return of Fukuo, the soba restaurant owner, now also learning that Keiwa is a Kamen Rider. And as someone in the good side, they keep throwing shades to him with him being pushed into the hot soba. Not really into being good equals being a goofy joke (applies to Gentoku too). Finally inserting a mundane real world interaction again, of which some of the Geats criticism is how lacking it is. I do feel that I'd want to see people discuss about the recent events that happen too as well, like for example Win's survival, but they're just going along with the flow.

Despite Tsumuri pointing out that the Ace's crew is short in numbers, they manages to mostly pull through and, each of them are used well with their distinct role. Keiwa being the one who evacuates the civilians. Buffa being the one to tank attacks from the DGP Riders without fighting back much, so they're still technically fighting. Guess this shows Buffa has grown out of his hatred to Riders, and lives up to his vow of letting himself miserable so others can be happy. I'd think his earlier self would reject any excuses and use the Riders desperately trying to survive by turning on each other (though this isn't the norm, as the Ken and Ma couple shows, humans still vary) as a reason to go after them, thinking that it'd be their true nature of them being rotten when brought into lowest point. Michinaga's kick was dope too to one of the GMs.

Win's still not fighting as a Rider, and is the one going up against the DGP to call out their actions of disregarding human lives. So W still takes Ls against GMs, outside of Zitt too. I wonder if the GMs Suel returned can henshin, of which this should even turn the fight more to their favor, as Win only has Monster. In this part, Daichi delivers an irony in how now, the Riders are a threat to civilians, while the Jamatos here are the ones to help Win and protect others, including giving something for the DGP Riders to keep fighting. Sunflowers also means happiness and peace, which is displayed in their usage now in a role reversal. It's unexplained though why Daichi would help here, unlike his ulterior motive in saving Sara before. The Tree of Knowledge is also not brought up yet either. This'd be like Kuroto joining in the fight against Fuma or Gamedeus Machina until his life is 1 remaining, but Mighty Novel X later cements that he was never redeemed.

Something that people may overlook is that, Neon's reason to protect Kousei was to have him atone for being a DGP sponsor, and using the Kurama zaibatsu's power and influence, something they can only do, for good, and this actually comes to play in this episode. The episode scans barely showed her before, and she was absent too when Keiwa evacuates the civilians, as she typically would do the same with him, but I guess for good reason, as this'd be the surprise contribution that (almost) saves the day. With an access to the audience room, the Kuramas are giving the VIPs.. reality check, that their bloodlust can potentially bite back to them as this isn't a fiction, but real world. They decide to flee for their safety, depriving Regad Omega of its power source and weakening it.

Ace insisting Tsumuri to not refer him with '-sama' suffix can sound hypocritical as Ace never stops refering Tsumuri as his big sis even though Tsumuri also asks him to stop. Other than that, his father Girori returns as per Suel bringing back the other GMs as their leader. It's something Ace wouldn't expect to think that Girori is one of Suel's underlings, but he denies being compared with other GMs. He seems to genuinely appreciate Kamen Rider values in him now sticking up for Ace striving for world peace. He'd still be someone bad for also not differentiating between reality and fiction, being complicit in the DGP turning the current era into a deadly game, albeit he always wanted the Riders to win, putting him at odds with Archimedel who wants the Jamatos to win and making them stronger, and now Suel for devolving the DGP into just something totally sadistic. He also still wants the DGP to continue for the just audiences, this should put him at odds with the main cast who'd want to put an end of the DGP for good.

Ace makes use of his weaker forms to not kill the DGP Riders I guess but stopping their fight by disarming them. He also faces Suel directly, with Regad Omega's abilities being shown in it cloning Buckles (unlike Zitt's use of Ninja) and using it as attack drones, like Hypnorays or Dominionrays. Continuing to keep the regular Large Raise Buckles relevant. The Magnum's use is straightforward, but kinda wish that the Boost's use is better, like perhaps combining it for something grander than Boost Mark II. Suel goes Masamune (after "discontinuing" Mitsume) not only in "stage select" to place them in a place of Banno's death, but also using R̶e̶s̶e̶t̶ Reverse to rewind Ace's time so he's left as normal human.

Suel also brings up Tsumuri to shoot him, as in the opening. I used to think Tsumuri was sus, based on this opening and her being like Shiro or Sid of sending the Riders to their likely death. But it has long passed that, as Samas explains, Tsumuri's compassion grow by watching over the Riders, with her now being someone who displays sympathy to Keiwa over Sara's death and also covering a little child in this episode. It's unlikely that it's Black Tsumuri posing as her, with her apologizing, albeit she flashes her smirk like opening too.

With Ace seemingly died, honestly I knew this wouldn't stick. As the series multiple times have teased over Ace's stakes, only for him to always stay on top. Ace eliminated? His first wish gets him back mid-game. Ace being overwhelmed? His reincarnation's wishes grant him power. Ace being unable to reach out to the admins? He's revealed to have creation powers. Ace's cost of using his creation powers? He breaks free due to his strong will. It's expected that Ace would have something planned.

The title of the next episode returns to Dawn arc, sounds like the series would have a stable time loop or such where the ending causes an event in the past on Ace's DGP winning streak days (possibly no real conclusion). Honestly with Regad Omega being weakened, I wondered how'd he beat over the other 3 main Riders, as Bujin Sword isn't far below Geats IX, and he got help from Na-Go Fantasy and Jamashin Buffa. I wonder if Jamashin Buffa will kick Regad Omega's ass, but Suel will de-henshin and kick Buffa's ass as a powerful non-Rider.

Insert that meme "you get to be a Kamen Rider! And you get to be a Kamen Rider! Everybody gets to be a Kamen Rider!" here.

While a little anticlimactic, I did enjoy what it was going for. The core group fighting off Kamen Rider Chronicle 2.0., Daichi sending his new Jamato to fight the Game Masters, and our boy Giroli making a comeback (I think we all figured he'd be back). I was questioning how I felt about his "redemption" but then I remembered he only wanted Ace out to keep the games "fair," fresh, and different, but as with the whole episode, it does kind of feel like they just threw everything in here.

I was about to say it seems kind of lame if he loses just because no one's watching his game show anymore, but I'm glad he pulled some shenanigans of his own and showcased a flaw to Ace's creation powers. And then we get that shot from the opening.

One left, and while I do feel like I have a good idea of where it's going, I hope it delivers a good ending.

Next Episode: FINAL GAME!

I've not been commenting much, but while I've been enjoying the Keiwa/Michi arc of the last few episodes, I feel it accidentally made an issue that's come to the forefront here. Ace has been in a more minor role pretty much since the Grand End, which was good for everyone else's development, but it leaves this big dramatic showdown between the ultimate game master and our godlike protagonist feeling a little more empty than usual? It's not really this episode's fault, I still really enjoyed it, nice to have Girori back to show he really does believe in his own weird version of fighting for world peace (Takahashi really can't help but redeem people, can he?), but it's odd to have the final battle be a 2-episode rush.

As we've all expected, Samas conveniently reappeared in this episode. So, either she'll be unceremoniously killed in episode 49, or she'll be let loose to become the villain or side villain of the V-Cinext episodes.

Girori also conveniently reappeared, because the current plot needs a DGP insider who can betray Sueru.

Sueru turned out to have a convenient time-manipulation ability. Why has this crucial ability never been told, shown, or at least hinted at in previous episodes? Well, because this story is written by Yuuya Takahashi. This kind of 11th hour surprise out of nowhere (aka asspull) has always been a staple in Takahashi's book of tricks. The last time he used it was in the last 2 episodes of The High School Heroes, and he succesfully messed up the story.

What's more laughable is the fact that the VIP's (who, like Sueru, are the people from the real world, aka Gods with capital G) can be easily intimidated merely by verbal abuses from 2 mortal humans (Kousei & Neon). Gods can be intimidated by humans? Yeah, right.

Shouldn't we call Sueru, Niram, Samas, Ziin, etc the people from the real world? Ace's world is just a virtual world created by Sueru and other people from the real world. Why do the writers insist on calling Sueru etc the people from the future, not the people from the real world? Are the writers trying to mislead the audience just to give the story a sense of stake? Geats is not a time travel story like Den-O or Timeranger. Geats is similar to The Thirteenth Floor or West World, not Back to the Future.

You're right. Nothing would've changed if Sueru or the people from the real world turned out to be actual kaijins, robots, programs, or beings from 11th dimension. They are Gods (with capital G) with absolute impunity.

Virtually everything about Geats is as far-fetched as possible. The writers of Geats only have one goal: Putting a square peg into a round hole.

This. Once again, truer words have never been spoken. The writers are so drunk with their own bullshit. Geats is so full of shit it's finally collapsed from the sheer weight of its own shit.

Niram's realism is total bullshit, too. Ace's world is a simulated/virtual world. What kind of realism is there to exist in a virtual world? What kind of realism is there to exist in an environment where everything, EVERY, SINGLE, THING, be it mundane or crucial (e.g.: death) can be manipulated and toyed with according to someone's whim? The definition of reality: Something that can't be changed, whether you believe it or not, no matter how much you try. If there exists a reality where everything can be changed, then it's NOT a reality, but only imagination/simulation. This is the philosophical aspect that makes Geats the most absurd story ever exist. I'm thoroughly convinced that the writers of this show don't give a single damn about logical consequences, let alone philosophical consequences.

This. I concur. If everything is red, then nothing is red. To continue my previous point: If everything can be changed, then nothing can be changed. This is the ontological fact that Takahashi has utterly, spectacularly failed to grasp.

If something as crucial as death can be toyed with, then what's the point of death (and life)? Death in Geats is just another pack of popcorn: Cheap, easily mass-manufactured, and has no nutritional value. It's completely meaningless and carries no weight whatsoever. The story ends up stakeless. If life is meaningless without the threat of death, then what's the point of the lives of the people of Ace's world? If their deaths can be toyed with, then their lives and existence is pointless in the first place. Their whole lives and existence is totally meaningless. They're identical to The Sims characters. They're just automatons to be toyed with. A very sad existence.

Geats gives off a very strong nihilistic aura. It looks like the writers are more than committed to defy all meaning, all logic, and all sense of reality. Geats is a story that can only be written by people who are out of touch with reality. A story about manipulating reality turned out to be written by a bunch of nihilists. Surprise, surprise.

Are you sure? Geats is a colossal, gigantic pile of nonsensical mess with obscene amount of plot twists (or rather, asspulls), multiple instances of violation of internal logic, ad-hoc logic, idiot plots, irrational decision-making, plot convenience, blatant manipulation, and other methods of contrivance and writing cheats known to mankind. It's the most bloated, contrived, convoluted story I've ever seen. Virtually every episode has at least one of those cheats. One could probably write a thesis out of Geats.

I believe you'll find waaay more things to scold Takahashi for more than things to praise him for. It has disproportionately more downsides than upsides. Geats is kinda like cocaine: Something that gives instant pleasure for 30 minutes, and causes irreversible brain damage thereafter.

There's nothing odd about it. Takahashi and his writers are so drunk with their own bullshit. Drunk people have a very bad sense of time. Drunk people keep drinking the night away, and before they realize it's morning already. The writers keep indulging themselves with their own bullshit, and before they realize it's episode 48 already. Heck, they were even still indulging themselves in episode 45 by making a totally useless reappearance of Kanato/KR Dapan.

At the very latest, they should've started to go deeper with Sueru's plan (if it exists at all) in episode 39. But instead, they made him disappear, and replaced him with a literal puppet character that added nothing to the story. Instead, we were given more useless arcs (Keiwa arc & Gang Rider arc). If you still haven't told anything about your main villain in the last 20% of your story, then you have a big problem. Sueru is basically Gifu v2.0. Or probably even worse than Gifu.

Well, what can we expect from drunk people? Stupid decisions.

This episode doesn't feel a little emptier than usual because Geats is empty in the first place. It's just the audience have finally realized that behind the facade of all those pretty and handsome actors, nice costumes, fancy camera tricks, and shiny, glittering visual effects, Geats is just an empty husk that tells no actual story. If everything can be changed, then nothing can be changed. Without change, there's no story. Nothing.

Who is this ?we? you talk of? Only you?ve been complaining that she hasn?t been a regular. No-one else batted an eyelid.

[QUOTE]Girori also conveniently reappeared, because the current plot needs a DGP insider who can betray Sueru.[/QUOTE

It?s hardly convenient. He?s been established as the only member of the DGP staff who cared about the world saving premise, as opposed to keeping things realistic (Niramu), creating cheap drama (Chirami), keeping the cash cow alive (Sueru and Samas) and inflicting sadism on people (Zitt)

Does it need to be? The final boss always has something that gives him an advantage to justify his final boss status.


The VIPs are human too. And unlike the Supporters don?t have any kind of transformation that could potentially give them an edge against threats to their safety (most of them have likely never been in a fight before)

No, because the show has made clear that they are from the future countless times. None of the technology they show exists or is similar to anything in the present day (Ziin said that Beroba was 350 years old, over 3 times that of the longest lived human). If the world was virtual, Sueru would?ve switched it off, not bothered with a grandiose plan to kill Geats.

[QUOTE]You're right. Nothing would've changed if Sueru or the people from the real world turned out to be actual kaijins, robots, programs, or beings from 11th dimension. They are Gods (with capital G) with absolute impunity.[AUOTE]

Again, the fact that Geats and friends have been able to overpower and even kill them would say very differently.

Yes, because a franchise about guys who use belts to don armour instantly and beat up genetically modified monsters, demons and aliens is totally plausible.

Tell me you haven?t been paying attention to Geats without saying you haven?t been paying attention to Geats.
grasp.

And if Geats wasn?t the first show in a long time in which dead characters actually stayed dead, that would mean something.

The fact that the only people complaining about the show seem to be people like you and Mesnick who make it their mission to complain about the show, I have no idea where you?re getting this opinion. Geats in general has received more positive praise than negative.


The one part of this that actually is a good point. Ace?s whole arc concluded with Geats IX?s debut. After that, he?s mostly jsut settled into the supporting protagonist role to give others the limelight. Which is still better than how every other Reiwa Primary is only the main Rider because the title demands it.

Because they already did thatt in episode 32: He wants to replace Mitusme with Tsumuri as the Goddess of Creation, leave the world of the present behind with everyone?s memories of the DGP wiped for good and then start again elsewhere. He?s not a megalomaniac trying to conquer the world, he?s an amoral producer trying to keep a show built off Sadie?s alive so the sociopaths of the future can get their jollies. But, he hasn?t announced his ?world takeover schem?, so ergo, he?s badly written in your mind.

A rant like yours?

Again, you seem blissfully unaware of any positive praise for the show and are blatantly inserting your own opinions into other people?s mouths. A lot of people have said that Geats is the strongest Reiwa instalment yet. And then you and Mesnick are basically going ahead with Frogification.

So this is the question: why? No immoral producer wants to be an immoral producer. He wants to take a position in which all his desires will be satisfied and no punishment will follow. Why did Sueru initially decide to modernize the show after having the Goddess of Creation at his disposal? Because of the obligations to the audience? They are in the future, which he can easily change. Even if the forces of the Goddess of Creation cannot directly influence them, changing the past will inevitably change the future. Which, by the way, is completely omitted from the show and is most likely evidence that the "people of the future" were not spelled out in the original script. But back to Sueru.
He is like a billionaire who works as a janitor to yell at people and spends his money to keep and expand this job, becoming the janitor of the universe. Once again, my question is: why, with the ability to fulfill your desires for 2000 years, takes care of the interests of viewers from the distant future?
Also: Sueru is not a producer, the producers are Niram and Samas. In principle, he can be called a co-producer, and they are executive producers, but in the show itself, if memory serves, Suera was not called a producer.

And in the "General Kamen Rider Thoughts" theme, Geats leads the category: "The show everyone loves but I hate." So most likely most of those who did not like the show were simply far behind in viewing. And in general, for a more or less stable assessment, it is necessary that at least a couple of years have passed after the broadcast, Fourze will confirm. Plus, what's the point of relying on the opinions of others? Zi-O won the absolute leader in sales, but this does not stop anyone from scolding the show. Although money votes here, not words on the Internet, which is more significant. Everyone has their own opinion and is entitled to it.

Well, that would require Geats to give me something I want. I don't get it from him. But in general, stop trying to find the Mariana Trench in a puddle. Perhaps if someone doesn't like what you like it just means different tastes. And maybe if their arguments seem nitpicky to you, that means you have different priorities. Why, again, as a fan of the show about ambiguity, are you in a hurry to divide everyone into good and bad? The last episodes of Revice have been full of negative comments, and even if Geats, in your opinion, does not deserve them, then this is only your opinion. And even if 7,888 billion people support it, this does not negate freedom of speech for those who are against it.Therefore, argue with statements, and do not look for motives. Avatar diagnoses are rarely justified.
Plus, seriously, why stand up for Sueru? I am sure that even the one for whom Geats first and only watched the show about riders will not call him his favorite villain.

In Saber, the final battle took about four episodes, and the audience liked such a long ending. But as for the emptiness, I tend to blame it on the same desire to set a record for riders. Perhaps if there were fewer DGP leaders, there would be time for Sueru to develop. In general, I would make Girori the final boss, letting him alternately be Glare, Geyser, Regad and Regad Omega. After all, he pretended to be a barmaid, being a Gamemaster. So if he was pretending to be a Gamemaster while actually being Sueru (what's his position? Never mind) it would be quite in character. At the same time, an intrigue would arise: did Ace win against the will of the head of the DGP, or was he only allowed to play a game within a game?
But in general, it seems to me that it was precisely in order to add interest and emotion to the final fight that Tsumuri was introduced. The audience may be certain about Sueru's death, almost sure about Ace's fate, but they'll have to worry about Tsumuri.

Niram's realism is total bullshit, because he blew up Buffa and when Michinaga survive, Niram called it realism. Or because he thought that if Ace's mother voluntarily agreed to turn into a wish-granting statue, then it would be more realistic. In general, if you think about it, it seems that Niram should have called for honesty, but either the writers could not remember the right word, or they decided that "realism" sounded more intriguing. I can condescendingly assume that, as a person from the future, Niram is not familiar with the term "realism" and therefore uses it incorrectly. But this, again, is an excuse for what is shown in the show, which the viewers should not do.

At least Suel has the common decency to show up for the final arc and actually asserts himself personally, unlike Gif who has Akaishi do all the talking for him. Even Jit is an avatar of Suel.

Honestly, the overarching main villains of Reiwa Rider are all pretty bad so far. Ark, Gif and Suel are virtually impossible to relate to and while Isaac can be entertaining, he's not interesting at all. The last time I truly enjoyed a main villain was Evolt.

I have to wonder why those lovey-dovey End Riders didn't just de-henshin before detonation though. Or rather, why anybody accepted the Desire Drivers to start with, after Black Tsumuri's condolences. I couldn't take it seriously when one of the End Riders enthusiastically declared, "I want to be the happy one!", haha. The rules of this DGP seem poorly enforced.

Nah, I'm with Ace on this one. Considering their sibling relationship, I think it's totally reasonable for him to refer to Tsumuri as his big sis, so Tsumuri seems overly stubborn for continuing to deny him even though she admits they're more than mere acquaintances. Feels like she just doesn't want to give him the satisfaction of being right.

Yeah, I'm not really feeling it either. Even Geats' big comeback last week was overshadowed by the big conclusion to Keiwa's arc. While Ace has continued to be a critical part of the plot, his character development hasn't really gone anywhere in this arc and the trailer for next week looks focused on everybody else once more. Way too much happening, way too fast. At least, nobody's screaming, "oh no, Ace is losing his memories!", so it could be worse.

That's.... Exactly how an immoral producer would act though.

Can we really presume the future people are affected by normal causation? I recall Ziin explained that their lives are designed perfectly from birth to death, which exempts them from any changes in the past. However, with the required authentication, you can still target them with a desire card as long as they're physically present in the world of the DGP setting, as proven by Ace, Beroba and Kekera. Or there's the Samas method: Gun.

Agreed.

Congrats on your 1500th post anyway.

Well, that's too high a bar for me. Personally, I can call him the best villain of the entire franchise and therefore do not expect a repetition of his level in the near future.


I think she wants Ace to admit that he's the older one.

Yes, but why would he take the job of a producer? He cannot be forced to do this because of the limitless possibilities of the Goddess of Creation under his control. And it doesn't seem like he's enjoying it because of his too little participation in the process.

I am sure that with the Goddess of Creation, you can arrange a heavenly life for yourself, completely safe from other people of the future. Perhaps it would even be possible to create your own clone, which would continue to entertain them with their favorite show, if their leisure is so important to him.


Thanks.

So I disagree with most everything you've posted, but because most of it is you hating what you think the themes of Geats are, fine, subjective interpretation, even if you do seem to have not paid attention to half of the premise of the DGP. But I will push back on just insulting the writers and claiming they're drunk on their own bullshit of whatever. You not personally liking a show doesn't mean the showrunners are idiots high off their own fumes or whatever, especially when the themes of Geats feel pretty self-explanatory imo. Whether or not people are inherently selfish, in a society that pits people against each other for entertainment or profit, or whether or not we can come together idealistically and work for a common good. This last episode is just that reiterated again, except even more obviously.

You hate it, fine. But you can criticise something without insinuating the writers are idiots or that everyone hates it, neither of which are true. And Geats definitely isn't an "empty husk" if you think about the themes for even a second.

Girori is the opposite of many future people recently presented where he wants a story with good ending, like Archimedel wanting the Jamatos to fight back against humans, Beroba wanting to plunge the world into despair, Zitt wanting to give bad endings by screwing people over, or VIPs wanting pure sadist show. But like others though, Girori's still another part of providing entertainment and treating the current populace as something to watch for the audiences, in his case is, kinda like Kekera, to highlight the "heroism" of the Riders (players) by Girori and the DGP attacking the people with Jamato they create so that the Riders can arrive to "save" them. His kind of entertainment is the good ol' "good guys always win". Here he also wants to return the DGP to be like that which means continuing the DGP, that is at odds with the main cast who wants to end it. So no, not a redemption case, just common enemy.

There's also at least Fredbob and Switchblade for this place. I don't think that places like TV-Nihon forums or Kaskus (my country personal forum) like this series either. And... would you yourself be really different in how you see Ryuki? And also there's how Sh Ranger views Gaim, DreamSword views Build, etc.

Yeah, an opinion is an opinion, and one can't argue that someone doesn't hold an opinion that they say they do. They think whatever they think. One can argue that an opinion is illogical, misguided, or misinformed though. There's also a point when one've stepped over the line of having an opinion to outright lies, when one is denial over outright facts (though overzealous people do often present their opinions as facts):

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...84/opinion.jpg

I guess I think there's some intrigue of how it's a criticism of entertainment media. As powerful as Suel is, he still answers to those who are merely just watches. The director, producer, and all other team can bicker and maneuver all they like or turn on each other, but losing your audience? You're done. Of course though, the VIP's tastes are what leads Suel to become a threat for the world and the cast.

Posting in Die's threads, it seems that in general many main villains of most Rider series (at least both phases of Heisei until now) are all pretty bad. People like Shiro (though I personally got more into his character thanks to akinoame's analysis), Tennoji, Masato Mishima, Kai (though Die loves him), King, Adel (for many people), Swartz, etc. Those who get fan approval are those that aren't in main like Ouja, Heart, Kuroto, Vail, Beroba, etc. There's also the brief final bosses like Arch Orphnoch, Sigma, Gamedeus, Giff, and I guess Suel kinda acts like this too. It's a shame though while I think Geats can break some of the things that I think are mediocre in many, like for example plot mysteries (I also think that Build stands out in this - both Build and Geats are among most fast-paced KR show IMO though), female Rider, fight choreography, it doesn't apply for the main villain too.....

I felt that Ace's character development has been complete, since ep. 38 of his reunion with Mitsume. getting an answer of why he's reincarnating, and getting a new calling of life based on that reunion and the reveal of his powers, of creating a world where everyone is happy. Now Ace is just the cornerstone among the good guys who shapes those around him and affect them. Keiwa's conclusion did come from him following Ace's teachings over Kekera's after all.

Yeah this. Those who dislike something should also realize that it's their own opinion, and not that they're the only ones who are enlightened with everyone else, like the writers or showrunners, being insulted for not being like them or their tastes. Hating seems to be often used as a form of superiority complex, tbh, with declaring "I hate [x]" as "I'm superior and above [x]" in disguise. Like for those who hate a show and mock everyone who like it as sheeps or such. Honestly yeah, I'd like if hating isn't really revered as being rational on internet - it often happens that among opinions, liking something is looked down upon, but hating something is praised upon.

I myself don't feel too strongly for 555 and Kabuto, but I think that's the beauty of Kamen Rider. Not every season will appeal to everyone, but every season will have its fans.

I think the issue that people are having is that they're trying to see Suel and Zitto as characters, when really they should be looking at them as forces/obstacles to overcome. They don't need any depth to their motivations or anything, because ultimately they're what stand in the way of Ace's and the others' goals of a world where no one needs to trample on the happiness of others.

Wanting a villain with deep motivations and backstories is normal and fine, but at the same time, I feel like people have lost the ability to appreciate villains who exist solely as a force to be dealt with.

Do you mean "villain Riders" when you said "main Riders"? Because you listed a bunch of villains instead of main Riders and talking about them. Hell, several of them didn't even transform into Riders to begin with. I always thought that the villains in Kamen Rider were fine, honestly. Nothing to ever really complain about from me, but I do get why some people might find them lacking.

Yea, character development doesn't always need to last throughout an entire season. Sometimes characters just finish growing before the end, like Ace did.

That's another thing I think some people had lost the ability to do; to just cut themselves off from media if they didn't vibe with it, and just try to avoid it altogether. Like there's no shame in just, avoiding talking about something that you don't like.

And if you're not a mathematician what's the problem? After all, we in this franchise accept the obvious lie that Decade is magenta. Plus. I am sure that in the world of quantum physics it is possible.

Again, criticism and absurdity work only if they continue to maintain logic. Sueru has no reason to please the audience. No real producer has that kind of power. Now, if access to the Goddess of Creation was provided not by the Gamemaster and the producer, but by the audience voting, this would be a completely different matter.

Well, Beroba is hard to call a fan favorite. In my opinion, she was disliked from the first appearance. The viewers' favorites are rather Chiramu and Niram, whose influence on the plot is minimal, and the characters are flat, but nevertheless they are very popular.
Plus, given that Ex-Aid's V-cinemas are more closely associated with the main show than most of the others, Kuroto is still the main villain of the show.

Well, in that case, we should start by apologizing to Giff. He fits this description even better, because he is literally a force interfering with the heroes. Plus, if such a message was originally laid down, then I think it would be read. And so there is no common opinion even about the status of Jitt as a separate being.

But sometimes you have something to say about what you don't like. And sometimes even more. Negative reviews always get more views than positive ones. And even those who have not read the Divine Comedy know about the Nine Circles of Hell, but who remembers that Dante wrote about Paradise? And in general, it is a question of honesty. If you can write that Ghost is a bad show, then you can write that Geats is a bad show. And the arguments here are more of a bonus than a prerequisite, because in the comments about the same Ghost they are far from always given.

They are human, but not virtual humans like Kousei or Neon. Sueru is also a human, but in the virtual world/Ace's world, he's a God (with capital G). Sueru/Ziin/VIP's/etc are humans, where Kousei or Neon are just virtual humans, aka video game characters. The Sims characters can threaten humans? Yeah, right.

They are from the future, but they're NOT visiting the real version of the past Earth by means of time-travel, nor are they visiting a parallel Earth a la Sliders or The One or other films about parallel world. What they're visiting is an imaginary, fictional, virtual, simulated version of the past Earth created by the future humanity who has enough computing power to create a simulation of the past Earth, NOT the real version of past Earth. Ace's world is basically The Sims. Sueru could model Ace's world after a completely fictional world, like the world of The Lord of the Rings, or Final Fantasy, or Dragon Ball, or Mickey Mouse, or Cybertron, etc, and it would make zero difference. If the Earth visited by Sueru/Ziin/etc is the real version of the past Earth (like the past Earth visited by Marty McFly in Back to the Future), then anything happening in the past WILL affect the future. If the DGP had destroyed the real Earth and humanity countless times in the past, then humanity would've been extinct, and the future Earth will also be greatly affected and Sueru/Ziin/etc and all humanity will never exist in the future. Just like Grandfather's Paradox in Back to the Future: If you go to the past and kill your grandfather, then your present self will be erased from existence. As I previously said, Geats is NOT a story about time-travel and Grandfather's Paradox, but a story about virtual worlds.

In episode 16 minute 22:23, Kousei said that Ace's world is a world created by Niram/DGP. In episode 23 minute 20:49, Ziin said that Ace's world is 3.5D (another one of Takahashi's fancy bullshit) world created by the future humanity as an entertainment media. It's obvious that Ace's world is just a virtual world, not the real world. The real world is Sueru/Ziin/etc's world.

Even the guide pages on TV-Asahi's website mention that Ace's world is a virtual world. These are pages about the helmets of various Riders that use Vision Drivers and Zillion Driver:
https://www.tv-asahi.co.jp/geats/rider/glare/face.html
https://www.tv-asahi.co.jp/geats/rider/glare2/face.html
https://www.tv-asahi.co.jp/geats/rider/gazer/face.html
https://www.tv-asahi.co.jp/geats/rid...suel/face.html
https://www.tv-asahi.co.jp/geats/rider/regad/face.html
https://www.tv-asahi.co.jp/geats/rid...mega/face.html

For example, these sentences from part 2 of Kamen Rider Regad Omega's helmet mentions the real world and the virtual world:
"ロプスプレコグヴィジョン
仮面ライダーリガドΩ（オメガ）の視覚装置。
全身各部のカメラからの情報をリアルタイムで処理した高次元映像を内部の半球状モニターに表示することで現実世界と仮想世界をシームレスに一望できる。
さらに各端末のカメラを利用して最大100アングルの同時視聴に加えて、あらゆる事象の過去と未来を見通すことも可能となっている。"
Translation by Google:
"Rops Precog Vision
Visual device of Kamen Rider Regad Ω (Omega).
By displaying high-dimensional images processed in real-time from cameras on various parts of the body on the internal hemispherical monitor, the real world and the virtual world can be seamlessly overlooked.
In addition to simultaneous viewing of up to 100 angles using the camera of each terminal, it is also possible to see the past and future of all events."

Or this page about Laser Raise Riser:
https://www.tv-asahi.co.jp/geats/rid...ise_riser.html
For example, these sentences from part 4 of Laser Raise Riser also mentions virtual world:
"ユナイトグリップ
レーザーレイズライザーのグリップ。
使用者の状態に合わせてレーザーレイズライザー自体のサイズを変更して最適化する機能を持つ。
また、使用者の変身後は仮面ライダーとの仮想世界を介したプライベートネットワークを構築することで遠隔操作を可能とし、ワイヤレスでのエネルギー供給を行う。"
Translation by Google:
"Unite Grip
The grip of the Laser Raise Riser.
It has the ability to change and optimize the size of the Laser Raise Riser itself according to the user's condition.
Also, after the transformation of the user, by building a private network through the virtual world with Kamen Rider, remote control is possible and energy is supplied wirelessly."

Notice this one phrase, the most crucial phrase, in part 2 of Kamen Rider Regad Omega's helmet:
"現実世界と仮想世界"
Translation by Google:
"Real world (現実世界/genjitsu sekai) and virtual world (仮想世界/kasou sekai)."
世界 = sekai = world
現実 = genjitsu = real
仮想 = kasou = virtual/simulation/imagination/dream

See? It's crystal clear that the logical distinction must be real world-virtual world, NOT future world-past world. This is not a rumor. This is not my hypothesis nor conjecture. This is an undeniable, black-and-white fact stated by the show itself.

So, why have the writers insisted on calling Sueru/Ziin/etc the people from the future, not the people from the real world? Who knows. My guess is that probably the writers realized too late that a story about virtual world means that the story is stakeless.

Okay, now that it's clear that Ace's world is a virtual world. You said that if Ace's world was virtual, Sueru would've switched it off. Sure, he can do it. Why didn't he do it? The answer is clear: Because the plot needs him not to do it. If Sueru just switched it off or reset it, then this show wouldn't exist at all. That's the ultimate idiot plot in Geats.

Keiwa's parents and sister actually stayed dead. The DGP victims (be it Riders or civilians) actually stayed dead. Neon stayed dead. Yeah, right.

Ghost is bad because Takeru can be resurrected several times. His death carries less and less weight the more times he's resurrected. Geats? Well, Geats takes Ghost's worst aspect to 11, to the stratosphere. In Geats, not only important characters can be resurrected, but all humans, animals, plants, etc can be resurrected perfectly. Basically everything can be resurrected perfectly. You can even destroy Ace's Earth with a Death Star and easily resurrect it perfectly. What makes it even worse is that this resurrection, or rather, reality-bending/reality-manipulation ability can be used infinitely, thus making any death or destruction completely meaningless. You repeat death multiple times and it becomes so cheap. It's valueless. This is the worst form of debasement of death and destruction. It's basically inflation. It's like money: The more money circulates, the lower its value. The more times death is repeated, the lower its value. If death (and life) can be toyed with and manipulated infinitely, then the value of death (and life) becomes zero. Life becomes meaningless if it can be repeated, let alone manipulated like Geats.

My life is meaningful precisely because I only have one life to live. What do you do when you only have one of something? You cherish it.

The protagonist strives to created a better world? No, he doesn't create a better world. He manipulates reality. He manipulates life and death. That is nihilistic. Well, his world and all its inhabitants do not exist in the first place. There's no meaning in things that don't exist.

Oh, and the protagonist who can create a world of happiness for everyone? That's so naive and shallow. Real world doesn't work like that. Like I said, Geats is a story that can only be written by people who are out of touch with reality. I'd rather let reality be the judge. Let the time prove whether these people's philosophy is in line with reality or not. Let the time prove whether they'll get a world of happiness for everyone, or a dose of rude awakening.

All this talk about reality and digital fabrications...

Please look forward to the Geats Movie in which apparently according to spoilers, what's been said is entirely the opposite case in regards to reveals! :D

That is, in fact, aliens from the future are virtual creatures? It's possible. It is also possible that the film is not canon regarding the events of the show.

What you're saying sounds more nihilistic to me. Even if someone's life is a fabrication, it's an arbitrary detail. If they can feel happiness, despair and love, then that makes them as real as anybody else. Only they can decide the worth of their life.

Giff being just a force that opposed the heroes was the least of Revice's issues. And not one I personally thought was even an issue. Giff remaining a force to be dealt with would've been fine, if the other aspects of Revice didn't start colliding and falling apart independently. And even then, the season was just average and alright at worst.

Yea, you can, but at the same time, there's a line where you just have to just stop talking about what you don't like because it becomes unwarranted. It's borderline unhealthy and obsessive to just talk about something you don't like so much. And do you think that the reason why there're a lot of views on negative reviews is because there're tons of people bickering in the comments? It's not always just people agreeing wholesale with the review.

And just because the internet incentivizes negative reviews, doesn't mean that they're always good or correct. It just means that the algorithm makes it so that it's easily more seen.

No, it's the healthiest thing in the world. If a person is worried about something, he talks about it. It doesn't matter if it's positive or negative.

Well, I also mentioned Dante for a reason. It's not about the algorithm, because everything was exactly the same long before the advent of the Internet. Just good reviews are boring. Not that the bad ones are always interesting, but as a rule they are more diverse. This, by the way, is the same reason why dystopias are much more popular than utopias.

You're kidding, right? Obsessing and arguing over the same topic and talking about why you don't like it isn't healthy. It's a fixation issue that intrudes on others' enjoyment, when you can easily just leave those people alone and not engage with talking about the topic at all.

Talking about your worries is something you do in therapy or serious matters, not going onto online forums to talk about a show that you don't like or what they do in it, ad nauseum.

A good review isn't just endless praising or endless ripping into a work. A good review is something that takes the good and bad, what makes the story work, and actually dissects on why that is on a subjective and objective level. But really there is no true unbiased review, everyone's going to have biases and whatnot.

Negative reviews aren't anymore diverse than positive reviews. That is a lie. I've seen negative reviews from different people that repeat the same fucking points over and over again.

And maybe people focus on the Nine Circles of Hell because it's the closest idea people can have about what Hell is like (despite the fact that Dante's Divine Comedy isn't actually biblical doctrine), and people want to know what actions they could avoid to not get eternal damnation (despite, again, the Divine Comedy not actually being biblical doctrine). People are afraid of eternal damnation and want to avoid it, wow. And maybe people only being familiar with the Inferno means that people should fucking read the rest of Dante's Divine Comedy.

Eh... Evolt still shows that you can create a villain that aren't just emre forces/obstacles to overcome. If that is possible, it should be striven for other creators. Gotta give props to something like, for example MCU, to not only create Thanos as biggest obstacle, but also someone with deep characterization.

Yeah it's my mistake, I mean "many main villains of most Rider series".

Actually you can. You can talk about something you dislike, like to still dissect its points and get a new perspective from others depending on how they reply to you. What I'd want something to be stop is using that to insult anyone who doesn't have the same view as them. It's not only about picking on those who don't like a popular show but, also those who feel "enlightened" for hating something.

I mean if you claim that you don't believe in objectivity, you feel that you can claim that 3^2 is 6 or such like in the picture? That example is just a parable, it can be applied on many similar situation, try to think sheesh.

Again, criticism and absurdity work only if they continue to maintain logic. Sueru has no reason to please the audience. No real producer has that kind of power. Now, if access to the Goddess of Creation was provided not by the Gamemaster and the producer, but by the audience voting, this would be a completely different matter.

It's a common depiction of time travel in fiction, but there are no official mechanics of how time travel works. Just because it doesn't work the way you expect it in the most common form of its depiction, doesn't mean that you can impose what you think how it should work. The most common interpretation like Grandfather's Paradox is just still a mechanic in certain in-universe story written as fiction.

Why do you really insist that those who aren't naturally born shouldn't be seen as equal? You know that the people who have that view are typically portrayed as at best assholes in those shows, the ones who would discriminate, prejudiced, and bigoted to what's "real" living being or not. And as above, tell me you haven't been paying attention without you telling me you haven't been paying attention. because future people are also virtual humans, whose life got designed and predetermined from their beginning to the end. It's how Kyuun relates to Neon.

Having only one life isn't the only reason to cherish it. You do your best as well as being mindful about other's lives because it's the right thing to do. Revival being possible is still not an excuse to go off on a murdering spree. And as said above, Geats isn't the only fiction piece of media or KR series that has revival from the dead being something possible smh, just sounds like you gotta expose yourself to more media.

This just sounds like if you've never touched upon Kamen Rider series before. You know that many of the protagonists are those who have that kind of goal right? And many are also those who are more outright good from the beginning than Ace. And what if the world is crappy? Just because someone is aware of how bad life is and how mean people are doesn't mean they can't fight for the right anyway. And stop actually curbing their attempts to do so as something delusional or such... people like this would be the ones who normalize and maintain the cruelty of the world.

Yeah, I've seen a handful of time of people being proud of being negative for the sake of it due to thinking that it's more appealing and divisive. I know, negativity sticks out more to people, but something natural shouldn't be validated. I know that the reason can be that people are just more preoccupied with looking wrong, so they go for cynical interpretations of things because it?s an easy out. Being ?right? means they were right (even if their logic doesn?t conform), and being wrong is fine too since they took a ?conservative? position (no matter how extreme their cynicism was).

One shouldn't blindly praise something if it isn't perfect, but I want to show that being negative isn't purely mature or insightful, especially when you blindly make up lies for the sake of criticism, I mean as people can view those who are being positive as stupid and sheep (where being negative is considered mature and insightful), I'll uncover the same for those being negative, a prime example is if they resort to outright lies. I already said above about 'hating' but I'm just against double standard. It's not only about punching up (e.g. saying Geats is bad rather than Ghost). Not only Geats, honestly saying Ghost or any other show is bad should be less encouraged too, more talked and discussed upon first, more to I don't like the show especially if the reason is something accounting to taste like something being lighthearted to their dark tastes or such.

And as you said yeah, good review isn't only about endless praising. What I like in reading in reviews is learning the points they dissect and getting more knowledge from those. It's why my flair is about a link to a Ryuki (and OOO) review that I think is the most well-written ever, even more than the posts/threads here (and the few thing I disagree in that review is something negative they said about a character).

Which part of what I said was nihilistic? Is it this part?:
"Well, his world and all its inhabitants do not exist in the first place. There's no meaning in things that don't exist."

If yes, then I think you misunderstood something. You said "their lives", but can you call their lives lives if even their deaths can be easily toyed with and manipulated? Like I said in the same post: Repetition/quantity debases something. Repeated death debases death, thus debases life itself. Death is what makes life worth living. Our lives is worth living, precisely because each of us only have one life. When it ends, it ends. No Goddess of Creation, no wish-granting entities, no buts, no ifs, it just ends. End of story, literally.

That's the fundamental, irreconcilable difference between reality and simulation:
In reality, you have something called absorbing barrier. It's a point of no return, kinda like a flyswatter, that when you touch it, you stuck there forever. Forever. One of the known absorbing barrier is death. In reality, death is permanent. Unless you're a prophet, no one will ever return from death. In reality, time flows only in one direction: To the future. You can't turn back time to save someone from death or recover something from destruction. Time already lost can't be regained. You can never change the past. In reality, there are things that are impossible to change. After all, we all know the definition of reality: Something that can't be changed, whether you believe it or not, no matter how hard you try. I've elaborated this point in my first post in this thread.

In simulation, there's no such thing as absorbing barrier. If you die in an iteration, you simply retry in another iteration. Everything can be changed if you don't like it. Time can be turned backward (or even forward). Everything can be returned to previous states. Everything can be undone. Nothing is lost. No life is lost. Looks cool, right? Right? No, sir! If you can't lose a life in a simulation, then it means that you don't have it in the first place. You can't lose what you don't have. A reality where everything can be changed is a very, very sad place. Mesnick nailed it in one of his previous posts in this thread: If everything is possible, then nothing matters.

One way to ethically solve this simulation problem is by leaving the simulation alone. Never tamper with it, let alone toy with it. Once it's running, just leave it as it is and never touch it again. Let it run forever. This is the premise of the film The Thirteenth Floor (1999). But that's the perfect opposite of the premise of Geats, right? That's why I concluded that the story of Geats is nihilistic.

You see, this is the exact thing I'm talking about. The inability to just appreciate a character being a force/obstacle to overcome. Not every character needs a deep backstory or motivation for what they do. Sometimes they just need to have a goal opposite of the heroes, and be in the way of theirs. Suel wants to keep the DGP going. Ace and the others want to end it. And that's fine.

I like Evolt a lot, he's one of my favorite characters, but I don't need every villain to try and be like him. That would get boring to me just as fast as having villains who all have simple personalities outside of being antagonistic forces. Like I hope that the villains in Gotchard will have a lot of personality between the three of them.

And honestly, I can forgive Suel and Zitt for having little personality, for the sole reason that Beroba, Kekera, Daichi, Michinaga (for the while he was), Archimedel, and Girori all had such strong personalities to begin with. Like "head" villains like Suel and Zitt need to be balanced with lesser villains who do have a ton of personality. The reason why Giff fails as a head villain in Revice is because the other villains either didn't have enough personality as well (Akaishi) or had a confusing story arc (Daiji). I believe that if they were handled differently (as well as the Deadmans), that Revice would've been a stronger season, even if Giff was handled the same as being just a force to be overcome.

Side note, I actually kind of find MCU Thanos to be much more boring than the original comic version. Halving the universe's population because you think it'll save resources? Yea, I guess that's pretty mad. Going on a genocidal rampage to amass power, all so that you can impress your universe's equivalent of death and hope she'll get together with you? Now that's madness right now. Sure, his madness in the MCU is more understandable and all, but I don't personally think that's deserving of being called the "Mad Titan". Again, simping over Death herself is much more deserving of a title like that. Admittedly I've just been kind of tired of the MCU for a long time now over a multitude of reasons, so I'm not the best person to talk about for that.

Definitely, but more often than not, discussions like that are rare because a lot of the time, it's a yelling match until someone just loses their voice. And if it's coming off like I'm insulting others, I'm sorry about that. I do like to use swear words as emphasis, but I get why it seems like an insult. And I'd like to think that my sort of own antagonism at others comes because of feeling like I'm being antagonized already, but that's admittedly my own fault if I read things too deeply in these discussions.

But I'll stand by this, it's often just much better to step back, and cut yourself out of talking about something you hate. I use to do that a lot myself, but I always felt crummy about it, because I was wasting energy talking about something I hated rather than talking about something I actually liked. So while I do like to have discussions that allow me to have new perspectives, those are rare for me and often carry a lot of tiring arguments. And admittedly I should also just step back from these types of discussions myself because they're so tiring to begin with.

And this is exactly what is in my comments. Good and bad. That's just the ratio, it seems that many do not like it, which is enough to call me a hater. In my comment directly about watching the episode, there are 107 positive words about what I saw. Therefore, again, here it is clearly not me who should be accused of bias.

Personally, I rarely repeat in my reviews and in half the cases I myself mention that I have already written about this before. And in general, if you try to objectively (although it still turns out subjectively) to look specifically at this topic, I am sure that my comments will be the most diverse.

I repeat: in my commentary on this episode, there are 107 positive words in its address. If after that they consider me a hater, then the problem here is clearly not with me. And if you want to discuss, then you can finally decide what Jit is. Because you and Sh Ranger think he is Sueru's avatar and Androzani84 says they have different motives:

My opinion is that the show has arguments against both of these statements, and probably this opinion is also somehow haterish.

The purpose of a review isn't to make people agree with you, but rather to generate constructive discussion and debate that can encourage people to look from different perspectives and hopefully find insight in them, regardless of whether it's acclaim or criticism. For the reviewer, it's a way to process their independent thoughts and feelings. If those are complaints, then it's better to vent than to let them ferment in the bottle until it shatters. Especially for us niche Tokusatsu fans, we don't have many people with whom to talk about it IRL.

Yeah, it's their lives, the only lives they've ever known. How would you act if you lived in such a world? Would you just resign to fake existence bereft of meaning? That would be nihilism. The whole point of the Saboten Jyamato finale was Ace learning from Michinaga the value of determination against a losing scenario, which sounds like the opposite of nihilism to me. Death is a destination, but life is a journey. If you're set on meeting your destination by any means necessary, then your journey will suck.

From our limited perspective, sure. But looking in a hypothetical way, if time travel is influencing our world, we wouldn't know about it, since our memories would've been altered. How can any of us truly understand reality when we're only looking from the inside out?

Geats' writers: "Dear viewers. We're actually writing a story about time travel, but we'll never show it, tell it, or even hint at it. Instead, what we'll show, tell, and hint at is a story about virtual world. We've even provided guide pages on our website that says that our story is about virtual world. But we're actually writing a story about time travel. So, if your eyes, ears, and mind tell you that our story is about virtual world, don't believe them. Deny them. They're deceiving you. Our story is actually a story about time travel. Sincerely, Yuuya Takahashi & the writing team."

Me: "Yeah, riiight..." :V

Future humans? More like real-world, REAL flesh-and-blood humans, although hyper-designed/hyper-engineered. Probably also robotically-enhanced. Virtual humans = The Sims characters = programs = Ace/Neon/Kousei/etc.

Of course it's not the only reason. Duh. There are several other reasons as well. It's definitely the FIRST reason.

Revival is not my problem with Geats. My problem with Geats is REPEATED revival. It just dilutes death and the value of life. You die once, you're a hero. You die twice, you're a commodity. You die thrice, you're a clown.

Heroic Kamen Riders usually fight against destructive forces to restore freedom to humanity, NOT to enforce happiness to people, NOT to be a moralistic busybody like Ace. Heroic Kamen Riders fight and sacrifice their lives to restore peace, so that everyone can fight for their own lives and overcome the challenges of their lives with their own strength. Heroic Kamen Riders fight so that people can fight.

What Ace is doing is virtually moral policing. Moral policing, as demonstrated by history, always results in the destruction of freedom. It's ironic how Kamen Riders usually fight to restore freedom, yet Ace's moral policing destroys freedom. What Ace is doing is what a naive kid will do when he's given the power of God: He will make right everything, from big matters to small matters. It only reeks naivety and pettiness. It's peak cringe. Even protagonists people consider naive like Gentaro Kisaragi or Shinji Kido don't have that kind of petty mindset.

Life is give and take. Sometimes, there are people who prefer taking more than giving. Humanity has evolved and has already developed several ways to deal with such people. Society already has its laws. Humanity doesn't need a Godly moralistic busybody like Ace, who turned out to be an even bigger busybody than Ikki Igarashi ever was. People are selfish. Yet, when combined, the destructive impact of their selfish desires cancel each other and result in something good. It's just a cold, hard fact of life. If I fail to realize that fact then I fail as an adult.

If some people choose to live their lives in accordance with such a naive, shallow, petty philosophy, then go ahead. It's their choice. Just don't be surprised when reality comes knocking on their door and give them a very rude awakening.

Determination means something if you have a chance, even if that chance is infinitesimally small, like 0.00000000001%. But, what if your chance is 0%, like in Ace's world? Not infinitesimally small, but 0%. Perfect 0%. Sueru is literally God that can manipulate every aspect of Ace's world without exception. A virtual human fighting Sueru/real human is like a Sims character fighting a Sims player. It's wishing for the impossible. If Sueru merely observes Ace's world like we observe an aquarium, then it wouldn't be a problem. But if Sueru meddles in Ace's world and manipulates their lives, then it's game over for them. Sueru's meddling is basically a torture to them.

Death is the final destination, and life is a journey. But if their deaths and their lives can be manipulated by a higher power, then what's left for them? The nihilism lies not only in what they can do, but also in who/what can control their world.

It basically boils down to freedom. There are 2 kinds of freedom: freedom for something, and freedom from something. The inhabitants of Ace's world only have freedom for something, but not freedom from something, that is, freedom from manipulation by Sueru. Heck, Sueru can probably even manipulate their decision, like when he manipulated Jitt. That would make them mere intelligent marionettes. That would make it even more nihilistic.

That's precisely my point. Our universe might be a simulation as well, but so far, outside information has never had any contact with our universe, and vice versa. Anything from the outside of our universe (if it does exist) has no ability to communicate nor influence our universe, and vice versa. In other words: Our universe and anything outside it are perfectly separated. Our universe and anything outside it are two separate, independent, self-contained existences. So, even if our universe is indeed a simulation, we will never know that fact because we'll never have anything to compare it with. The truth may actually exist out there, but we'll never know. Our universe might be the most perfect deception.

Now, compare it to Ace's universe. His universe can be influenced by information from the outside, and even manipulated, and the inhabitants know it. The inhabitants know that they're being toyed with by Gods (DGP/Sueru/people from the real world). They know that their reality can be manipulated. They know that their lives and deaths are just dreams. They know that they've probably died 100 times during the previous DGP and brought back to life to die 100 times again. Their universe and Sueru's universe is not separated anymore. Their perspective is not limited anymore because they've received information from the outside of their universe. They've known the reality, the truth: That their universe, lives, and everything inside it are not real.

If a God wants to manipulate my life, then sure. He's God. He can do anything he likes. But please, keep it a secret from me and make sure that I never know that fact. Knowing that my life is not real and or manipulated only creates unnecessary suffering for me. It's like slaughtering an animal with a blunt knife. This unnecessary suffering is why I concluded that Ace's world is utterly nihilistic.

That's why I said that one of the most ethical ways of dealing with this kind of simulation is by leaving it alone, or by just shutting it down (like the premise of The Thirteenth Floor). If Geats wants to be rational and consistent with its internal logic, then Sueru should've simply reset or shut down the simulation program containing Ace's world, and Ace and all its inhabitants would've never noticed. The show named Kamen Rider Geats would never exist. But, then again, expecting logical consistency from Geats is like waiting for an apple to fall... Under a mango tree.