Kamen Rider Gavv Episode 50- "Aim For It! A Delicious Future" Discussion
 

Shoma must face off against Lango for the last time.

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Yep, my 4th hypothesis in my 2nd post in episode 49 thread here is proven to be correct: Jeebh dies and Liselle is spared, quite likely as a setup for the V-Cinext. Perhaps she'd be shown living among humans as a lowly worker as a punishment, though she could still be a potential villain. On the other hand, my hypotheses about Lage 9 being the new president of the Granute world and Shouma living hApPiLy eVeR aFtEr with Masaru/candy store owner guy/Mr. Hidamari are proven wrong. It means that Shouma's identity as Michiru's son would likely be fully revealed to Masaru in the V-Cinext as well. Oh, and if Lage 9 has completely destroyed the so-called Door Room in this episode, then how would he return to the human world in the V-Cinext?:confused::eyebrow Perhaps he'd only appear in flashback and retrospective scenes?:confused::eyebrow Don't know! I've given up trying to make sense of this atrocious story since episode 1, haha.:lol

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In the scene @ 00:18, Lango Mango calls Shouma a nuisance to the Stomach family, and Shouma's only reply is "What Stomach family?". Shouma says that since he was a kid, he's never seen Lango Mango hApPy, and asks him whether taking away humans' hApPiNeSs and lives and manipulating Granutes via Dark Snacks have made him hApPy. Here goes Shouma's lecture about hApPy hApPy hApPy hApPiNeSs nonsense. Gosh, this atrocious story really really reeeeeally needs to tone down their hApPy hApPy hApPy hApPiNeSs nonsense. It's just sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo repetitive, preachy, and on the nose. Cringe!

Anyway, Lango Mango blames Bouche who he calls the idiot who succeeded Zomb. He blames Bouche for destroying his supposed bright future. I don't really get it. How can he call Bouche an idiot, while Bouche was the one who ordered Dente to research and create the Hito Press system that streamlines the Dark Snack production process and significantly increases the Dark Snack production output?:confused::eyebrow Don't get me wrong. Bouche was a total idiot who did a gazillion of idiotic things, but not for reasons stated by Lango Mango in this scene. I get it if he resents Bouche for impregnating Michiru, but he resents Bouche for being an idiot without specifying what idiotic things that Bouche did. Even after Michiru gave birth to Shouma, the performance of the Stomach corporation didn't decrease, be it the legal stuffs (ordinary snacks) or the illegal stuffs (Dark Snacks), which means that Michiru and Shouma had no negative impact at all on the corporation. And what's this bright future that he says he's supposed to have, but can't have because Bouche failed him?:confused::eyebrow Does he actually think that Zomb should've been succeeded by him, not Bouche?:confused::eyebrow Dang, his reasoning just makes no sense at all! This scene just shows that Lango Mango's resentment toward Bouche (which is the reason why he poisoned Bouche's wine as shown in the flashback scene) is totally nonsensical. The writers made him call Bouche an idiot simply so that he has something to say, but they've never really specified why he thinks that Bouche is an idiot. I really really really dislike it when a writer made one character look good/smart/competent/strong by making another one look bad/stupid/incompetent/weak. It's just a sign of a crappy, cheap, and lazy writing. Only talentless hacks do that kind of stuff.

Having heard all that, Shouma concludes that Lango Mango is just like him, a victim of Zomb and Bouche. He says that Lango Mango is just a Granute who is desperately struggling to find his own hApPpiNeSs, just like himself who is trying to obtain his own hApPpiNeSs. There, there, there! There's those cringe-inducing words again: hApPy hApPy hApPy hApPiNeSs. Sooooooooooo cringey! And then they fight, haha.:lol

In the scene @ 03:03, Hanto/KR Valen is about to fight Jeebh/KR Bitter Gavv v3.0, but Liselle enters the scene out of nowhere, as usual in this atrocious story. The dialogue in this scene just feels soooooooooooo weird and awkward. Liselle wants to help Jeebh defeat Hanto, but Jeebh stops her because he thinks that she's not calm now. She insists on helping him and says that now she truly understands how he feels, so in the end she's still helping him. Like I've said before, this scene is soooooooooooo awkward and cringey that even Hanto is scratching his head @ 04:23 and telling them to just go back to the Granute world, haha.:lol He's probably like, "Do I really have to kill these 2 useless idiots?" Haha.:lol:lol:lol This is what happens when I put too many characters into my uber-convoluted story. At some point, the gazillion of logical anomalies would accumulate and culminate in an odd, awkward scene like this that involve 2 of the most useless characters in this atrocious story, i.e. Jeebh and Liselle, whose only purpose in this atrocious story are to get married and allow Bocca to overtake Stomach corporation. Anyway, Hanto/KR Valen is fighting Jeebh/KR Bitter Gavv v3.0 and Liselle who debuts her full Granute form.

In the scene @ 05:45, Lage 9/KR Vram is calling Hanto's name, but he's already out in the human world, so he decides to destroy all the doors inside the so-called Door Room to stop Granutes from entering the human world once and for all, since he thinks that it's his duty to atone for his past mistakes of helping Stomach corporation as a part-timer.

In the scene @ 06:36, Shouma/KR Gavv Gochipod form is still fighting Lango Mango, who now has wings that have the ability to shoot energy shocks that kill the Gochipod RG. How and when did Lango Mango gain this ability?:confused::eyebrow Don't know! Don't need to know! Don't wanna know! Shouma/KR Gavv is forced to depower and uses Blizzardsorbet form (finally the writers and producers remember that this form exists, haha:lol) and Caking form. Buuuuuttttt, if Lango Mango was able to use his wings to shoot energy shocks that kill the Gochipod RG in the previous scene, why doesn't he use it again in this scene and destroy the Blizzardsorbet and Caking RG's, since he's still able to use his wings @ 08:15-09:01?:confused::eyebrow Ah, nevermind. The writers didn't care at all about logical consistency, so why should I, haha.:lol "Just get it done, collect our paychecks, and GTFO! K, bye!":lol:lol:lol

In the scene @ 09:01, Sachika is reading a social media post and tells Masaru that the plan of using new, very very very plot-convenient Mofupachi RG in episode 49 last week works. Masaru sees Shouma's notebook and reads it, and finds that Shouma's family member who was kidnapped by Stomach part-timer was his mom. He also finds that Shouma's mom liked snacks, just like his younger sister did, unaware that they're the same person, but when he asks Sachika what the name of Shouma's mom is, she says that she doesn't know and tells Masaru to just ask Shouma when he returns. Does Sachika really not know the name of Shouma's mom is, or is she just telling Masaru a white lie?:confused::eyebrow I think the latter is more plausible.

In the scene @ 10:22, Lango Mango was able to use his wings to shoot energy shocks that kill the Gochipod RG in the previous scene, but he's struggling to even fight Shouma/KR Gavv in Poppin Gummy form?:confused::eyebrow Dang, the writers were like, "Screw power scaling! Convoluted story ftw!" Haha.:lol

In the scene @ 11:38, Hanto/KR Valen is fighting Jeebh/KR Bitter Gavv v3.0 and Liselle. Just when Hanto/KR Valen is about to finish off both Jeebh/KR Bitter Gavv v3.0 and Liselle, Jeebh reenacts the same scene at the end of episode 14 when Shita shielded him from Shouma/KR Gavv Caking form's finisher. Yep, my 4th hypothesis in my 2nd post in episode 49 thread here is proven to be correct: Jeebh dies and Liselle is spared, quite likely as a setup for the V-Cinext. Perhaps she'd be shown living among humans as a lowly worker as a punishment, though she could still be a potential villain. Well, at least Jeebh finally dies, because death is the best fate for him, haha.:lol And Hanto just abandons Liselle there, haha.:lol What a bad scene.

In the scene @ 14:15, Lango Mango is defeated by Shouma/KR Gavv in his Poppin Gummy form. So yeah, repeat after me: "Screw power scaling! Convoluted story ftw!" Haha.:lol And just like that, Lango Mango dies in a whimper. What a pathetic villain. What a pathetically, laughably, embarrassingly, indefensibly lazy, sloppy, heavy-handed, and atrocious story KR (God forbid) Gavv is.

In the scene @ 17:09, Shouma is making his own cupcakes and produce a new RG whose name I didn't even bother to look up, haha.:lol Hanto enters the scene and notices that Shouma has been making many snacks lately. Sachika tells Hanto that it's because Shouma wants to make Hikari Kashi/Light Snacks instead of Yami Kashi/Dark Snacks. She says that there are many Granutes who can't return to the Granute world because the so-called Door Room is destroyed by Lage 9/KR Vram, which reminds Hanto of Liselle who is stuck in the human world. She says that Shouma wants to make and distribute the Light Snacks as snacks that can make both Granutes and humans hApPy. There that cringey word again: hApPy hApPy hApPy hApPiNeSs.*feels nauseous* Oh, and speaking about the part-timer Granutes in the human world, weren't they all transported back into the Granute world in episode 46 @ 07:57 when Sachika saw one of Nyelv's agents transporting them via the so-called Door Room?:confused::eyebrow After that episode, Bocca commenced his endgame (the human world farming plan) and employed no part-timer at all. He only employed several Stomach employees who Hito Pressed the manipulated/hypnotized humans at the collection center(s). Ah, nevermind. This atrocious story is already over. No need to take it seriously. Well, not that I've ever taken it seriously, haha.:lol

In the scene @ 19:05, Shouma is trying to open the same door in episode 49 @ 09:12 and finds that he's out of luck again today. It's now just an ordinary door because it's not connected anymore to the so-called Door Room.

In the scene @ 19:29, Lage 9 is reading a newspaper and says that the Granute world has a new president. He says that no matter how many Granutes have disappeared, the Granute world is still turning. Yep, like I've said multiple times, the politics in the Granute world makes no sense at all. Bocca, the powerful, ruthless, corrupt President of the Granute world suddenly went missing (in just less than 1 day!) and thus a gigantic political power vacuum was created, and no frakkin' one (not even the opposition party) was rushing to the table to seize the very very very low hanging fruit of absolute political power. No societal chaos has happened, no political turmoil has happened, no political consolidation is needed, everything just happens so smoothly as usual. Sooooooooooooo convenient, aka: Lazy, haha.:lol Also, what the heck happened to the part-timers who were transported back into the Granute world in episode 46 @ 07:57?:confused::eyebrow Why isn't there a huuuuuuuuuuuuge shock in the Granute society due to the returns of the part-timers?:confused::eyebrow Many of them had been trafficked since more than a decades ago, such as Rago/wolf Granute who was trafficked 18 years ago and the crab Granute in episodes 14-16 who admitted that he had been kidnapping humans for 20 years. Those people have been missing for years and even decades, and now they've returned out of nowhere, yet the Granute society is still quiet?:confused::eyebrow Wow, what an idiotic society, or rather: What an idiotic story, haha.:lol

In the scene @ 19:57, Shouma presents his new cupcakes to Masaru. Masaru is looking at the photo of Michiru (Shouma's mom), and Shouma's new cupcakes remind him of her, which may suggests that Masaru may have made the connection that Shouma is Michiru's son. My hypothesis about Shouma living hApPiLy eVeR aFtEr with Masaru/candy store owner guy/Mr. Hidamari in the epilogue is proven wrong in this scene. It means that Shouma's identity as Michiru's son would likely be fully revealed to Masaru in the V-Cinext as well.

In the scene @ 20:59, Shouma is bumping into an unknown guy which is actually Baku Yorozu/KR Zeztz. Baku says that Shouma dropped an object and promptly returns it to Shouma. That object turns out to be the KR Zeztz RG which Shouma doesn't recognize. Just when Shouma is about to ask Baku about it, a UFO comes out of nowhere and electrocutes Baku who says that that's what happens when he helps someone and he's used to it, and then immediately leaves. Ahhh, yesss... Smells like Yuuya "The Indefensible" Takahashi's typical uber-uber-uber-uber-uber-uber-uber-uber-uber-uber-convoluted plot, as usual, haha.:lol

In the scene @ 21:43, Hanto tells Sachika that he's been writing an article about the Dark Snack incident and planning to publish it. He receives an email from a Granute part-timer who is stuck in the human world. Sachika tells Shouma about it, and of course, Shouma is planning to give that Granute his Light Snacks to make him hApPy. Cringe! Haha.:lol

That's it. That's how this atrocious story ends. So sterile, so safe, so unchallenging, so devoid of thrill/excitement, so devoid of logic/rationality/common sense. Oh, and Sachika the heroine-with-virtually-no-backstory-except-2-mundane-facts-that-she-has-a-filthy-rich-grandma-and-that-she-lives-in-the-same-apartment-complex-as-Ritsu still has no backstory, except those 2 mundane facts. Sachika = The worst heroine in this franchise ever, very likely also in the entire tokusatsu/superhero genre. Congratulations, Gavv's writers and producers, because you have successfully demonstrated how pathetically, laughably, embarrassingly, indefensibly lazy, sloppy, heavy-handed, and atrocious KR (God forbid) Gavv's story is. *facepalm *slow clap

Next week:

The debut of KR Zeztz. As usual, when it comes to stories written by Yuuya "The Indefensible" Takahashi, the name of the game is:
A gazillion of shock factors and an uber-uber-uber-uber-uber-uber-uber-uber-uber-uber-convoluted plot. I see a 99,999% probability that with KR Zeztz, Yuuya "The Indefensible" Takahashi is trying to out-Yuuya himself and write a story that's at least 10 times more convoluted and atrocious than KR (God forbid) Geats.*vomit*

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say goodbye gavv and say hello zeztz

Was this episode the first time Gavv rode his motorcycle while transformed?

Good grief this sheer wall of text Jesus Christonnacrutch giving me group therapy flashbacks

Shoma talked more with Lango than when Jeebh fought and blamed him as Bitter Gavv in ep. 38. Shoma points out what I thought about how Lango claims to want to bring his family back, but he's callous to his own family like dismissing Shita's death. Guess Lango's real motivation is revealed in him wanting to retake the family's privilege (still greed, but from low position), which is why he never smiled due to Bouche ruining his family's fortune while running the company due to his incompetence.

So Lango can beat Over/Master Gavv due to learning from his mistakes, as well as him also having an upgrade in wings that killed off the Gochizos in the Gochipod. The amusement park setting is a smart way to have the rollercoaster being used for Vrocanbuggy's path. Base Riders fighting with their vehicles are portrayed as potent weapons to be substitute for their upgrades, like AccelTurbuler to Terror Dragon or Geats-Boostriker to Regad Omega, but Lango doesn't use his super speed and force field at this point somehow, like Kabuto's final fight.

Though outside of back to base form tradition, I don't know about Gavv Poppingummy anticlimatically killing off Lango with one attack at the end, as Shoma's burning determination is manifested in AmazinGummy form, which he doesn't use yet during his final fight. Gavv does use the power of friendship trope like when Shoma struggled against the twins' agents before, but not explained if AmazinGummy power can be carried over to other forms.

Unlike his vengeful ways before, now Hanto shows some understanding and pity to Jeebh and Lizel, giving them a chance to stop this revenge chain, only killing them if they still want to cause harm. Jeebh and Lizel's sympathetic moments are done to make them an actually loving couple, in Jeebh devoting himself to Lizel, for her own revenge, albeit Jeebh is done with his own revenge, as well as Lizel using her father's death to finally understand Jeebh's misery and help him.

Lizel doesn't seem to be that strong as Granute unlike her early demonstration, having to tag team Valen Frappe with Jeebh like Shita before, despite Lizel seemingly being a cut above most other Stomachs (outside of Lango) in her Butlers dodging Shoma's attack without problem. I don't know about Lizel being left alive after Jeebh's death, as she may still attack others, albeit the ending did say about how there's still Granutes left on the human world, such as a part timer who don't know what to do.

Though it looks badass that Vram is fine after fighting Lango's Agents, it's rather disappointing that it's not shown how Vram eventually beats all of Lango's Agents after seemingly struggling and having a death flag. Vram is the one who achieves Nyelv's previous plan of sealing doors, where he directly destroyed the doors, putting himself close to death again as the Door Space collapses. It's not shown how he ended up surviving despite him thinking that he may see Comel again.

Masaru also learns about Shoma's true relation to him by himself, due to Shoma's diary, which describes his mother and the snacks she talked about, which obviously sound similar to what Masaru knows about Michiru. Shoma's weight of not revealing the truth to Masaru doesn't seem to with Masaru not being shown to feel anything (albeit the ending is 3 months timeskip) about Michiru's death. Not about hatred to Shoma, but just about him being emotionally fragile to process ugly truth.

Now Shoma wants to make the antithesis to Stomach Inc. and Dark Treats, the Light Treats, his own path is to become a pastry chef. As usual though, the protagonist is portrayed as not really competent in this with him still needing room of improvement. I rather wish if do-gooders can be allowed to be good at something, where Shoma claims he's only good at being powerful (Hapipare's jobs), but realizing he has to work to become an expert, rather than just having good intentions.

Well, I'll write about the ending first. The part with Lakia turned out to be important in the plot, but quite ridiculous. Having defeated a legion of Agents behind the scenes, he begins to destroy the doors between worlds, but accidentally causes a mini-catastrophe. However, Granutes survives and remains in the world, who barely noticed all the events of the show. Satisfactory, but not the best ending.
In turn, I have no complaints about Hanto's part. He has to fight against Jeebh and Liesel, whom Bocca's death finally brought together. Here again the theme of protection before revenge is raised and again it is well implemented. It is also interesting that Valen wins thanks to freezing his legs, which is doubly reasonable, because:
A) On a physical level, it deprives Granute of the ability to perform acrobatics, destroying their advantage in agility over the rider;
B) On a character level, it reduces the fight to a test of wine stamina, where in this show Hanto has no equal.
As a result, Jeebh repeats his sister's feat and reunites with Sheeta. Again: a heroic death without a hint of redemption.
As for Liesel, some may be unhappy that she was spared, but I have some arguments:
A) She was left completely alone in a strange world. For a girl accustomed to luxury, this is a fate worse than death.
B) There is still V-cinema and Final Stage, where Liesel can meet her end.
It should also be noted that whatever her motives were, they really helped Jeebh at least a little, but change for the better. Here it is appropriate to recall Goethe: "There is a power that only by wishing evil creates only good."
But I have mixed feelings about the last clash between Shouma and Lango. Lango's position is very unconvincing and smells more like an attempt to logically justify banal jealousy. It is difficult to understand what happy future Bushe took away from him. I can assume that Father Stomach was going to quit the production of Dark Snacks, but then it was worth voicing this directly. Or was Lango just afraid that his father would do this? Anyway, Bushe ends up being the most mysterious and controversial character in the show. I also didn't like that Lango exploded with a cloud of feathers. I understand the symbolism, but in this particular case it didn't work for me. It was more like a torn pillow. I think they should have gone to the trouble of using black feathers or at least a mix.
It would have suited the character better.
But the battle itself turned out great. Exactly what I expected when I wrote that the battle with Bocca was intentionally made more typical. Lango's new abilities quickly burn through a hundred Gochizo and Gavv has to go through all the basic forms while fighting him. It's just a pity that they forgot about the biscuit lumberjack:( And environment and Lango's wings are also actively used. Where did he get them from and why did the elder Stomach become stronger? Let's assume that when he wasn't mysteriously standing on the roof, he was training hard.
The fact that they didn't forget about the Granutes left behind in the human world and Shouma is trying to establish contact with them is great, but this, as well as the lack of a frank conversation with Masaru, still leaves a feeling of incompleteness. The show really needs an epilogue, which it will get, but not anytime soon. So in the end, I would call this ending crumpled, but pleasant.
P.S. The first acquaintance with the new rider was excellent. After Gavv it was hard to surprise, but Zeztz did it with his random UFO. But the phrase: "If Gavv is soft, then Zeztz is hard" should probably be taken to mean that he gets hard slaps.
P.P.S. I slightly lost track of time when I saw that three months had passed, and Shouma was making Easter cakes. Only later did I realize that these were just sweets that had no festive or erotic connotations.

Once, back in university, I came across a bagel without filling. It wasn’t the kind of bagel I picked up by accident. There was a cavity inside for the filling, just an empty one. But despite my disappointment about this, the bagel turned out to be delicious.
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What was the point of the previous paragraph? Well, it seemed to me that the conversation about Gavv should start with a story about food. So let’s continue in the chosen direction. There is a theory that in order for your criticism not to cause aggression, it should be the filling in a sandwich of praise. That is, you start with a compliment, then express a remark, and end again with a list of pluses. This approach supposedly allows you to overcome hostility and make criticism truly constructive. In practice, I can say that it doesn’t work, and you will still be called a hater, ignoring all the praise.
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So instead of a sandwich I have bread and butter today. I will immediately express all my complaints about the show, and then move on to compliments. And I want to start with the villains.
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And here I will immediately have to backtrack and note that they are not bad in themselves. Yes, simple, but not so much as to seem like cardboard or walking clich?s. They have understandable motivations, influence on the plot and other characters, and lives outside the role of antagonist. Even Lango and Bocca, although devoid of any sympathetic traits, do not do evil for the sake of evil or the destruction of civilization/planet/universe. On the contrary, they are busy creating their own world with themselves at the helm, and it is not a fact that it would be too bad for a lucky person or an average Granute.
So in themselves, the villains from Gavv are not bad. But they do not cope well with their task precisely within the framework of the show. Because there are reasons why the connection with the villains Philip, Koyomi, and Ryuga Banjo was revealed only towards the end. And it's not just the desire to surprise the viewer with an unexpected twist and raise the stakes before the finale, but also the need to keep them low until then. If your hero and the villains are relatives, then the relationship between them will be different, ambiguous, and more complicated. Gavv has it, but not enough and very unevenly. For an example of how to properly and effectively show an evil sibling, I recommend watching Gozyugers.
Here you can argue that Shouma's origin is an open secret and his connection to Stomatch was obvious from the very beginning. But I disagree, because:
A) This is not true. Nothing prevented the writers from pretending for a while that Shouma is the son of one of the temporary workers.
B) The show made a mystery out of the obvious in the case of Masaru, whose connection to Shouma's mother was guessed as soon as he started appearing frequently.
You can't ignore the obvious parallels within the franchise either. The Stomachs are a family of antagonists who sell an analogue of a fantasy drug, and of which the main rider of the show is a part. Just like Sonozaki from W. Also among the villains of the show there is a mad scientist who is close to one of the family and is guilty of the death of people dear to the secondary rider. Even Bokka and Liesel can be compared to the X Foundation due to their late appearance and much larger level of influence. And for all this similarity, as well as the ability to take into account the shortcomings of W, Gavv does worse. At the same time, I do not consider W as a sinless standard and admit that Sonozaki are also passive villains with a bunch of unnecessary scenes. But even when Ryubei just drinks tea and hugs a cat, it still looks more natural and charismatic than Lango sitting in a dark conference room or standing on a roof. Although, perhaps, this is the merit of the cat ��
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Another significant drawback of Gavv is the pace. The plot, which is good in a short retelling, develops very unevenly, sometimes lingering in one place for a long time, then suddenly bursting into a rapid avalanche of important events. And if this is usually imperceptible within one episode, then after watching several in a row, it is no longer possible to close your eyes to it. And I would even take this approach (in fact, I did it) if it did not lead to the fact that the plot-important events seem very compressed in time. We barely had time to understand Nyelv, and he was already dead. And the ending turned out to be very rushed.
Among other problems, one can also note the schematic nature of the Granute world. It is clear that the budget imposes its limitations, but then it would have been worth showing Bokka and his palace less. Let the president be a mysterious, powerful force, like the cosmic entities from Super Sentai of the Showa era. And so he looks more like an evil aristocrat-hermit than a ruler.
Also, although Zolda's claims are excessive, I must note that the logic in the show is really often lame, and two or three additional cycles of script editing would have gone to Gavv's advantage. The theme of "riders are considered monsters" was never revealed. Although it is worth noting that if Gavv's basic form left room for such assumptions, then the rest, as well as Valen and Vram, completely destroyed them. However, Granute's design could have been made differently so that the concept of candy monsters did not seem like something idiotic in the show's universe.
I would also like a bigger role for Sachika. I wish Suga's noble motivation was expressed not only for the audience. Furthermore, I wish Shouma and Dente's different views on Bush were not limited to two sentences. But these are just trifles, and I'm starting to get a little carried away collecting them.
In general, if I summarize my criticism, then the impressions of Gavv are exactly what you expect from a show about junk food: it was fun, I really liked it, but it's over, and I'm still hungry. So even in its minuses, the series corresponds to the chosen theme. Although I doubt that it was intentional.
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But let's finish with the criticism and move on to praise. Gavv is the long-awaited breakthrough of the Reiwa era riders. The first show that most of the audience likes. No matter how much I love Saber, he was met very coldly, and even after the triumphant knightly campaign, there were many unconquered fortresses, aka audience hearts, left for him. Well, there are no books that everyone likes. But sweets are refused only on principle.
Gavv is the same golden mean between the previous G-riders. He managed to find the perfect balance between Geats's meat grinder of suffering and Gotchard's battering ram of optimism. The show has darkness and cruelty that traumatize its characters, but there's also a lot of joy, laughter, and happiness (which I'll talk about in more detail later). Moreover, by going back to the basics, namely the principle "the rider is a tragic hero who has gained power against his own will," the show looks at him from a different angle, showing that heroism is the path to happiness, both for himself and for everyone around him.
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I must also note that I simply adore the characters of the show. At first glance, they follow the types laid down in the early Heisei: the na?ve, optimistic main rider; the hot-tempered secondary; and the tertiary with a tragedy in his past. We've seen all this more than once. But they all behave in a way that is perceived as living people, not clich?s. And, no less importantly, good people, who can be forgiven for all their mistakes, because you understand that they wanted better and blame themselves for their mistakes. Shouma, with his softness and inexperience, Hanto is always ready to rush into the thick of things, regardless of the inequality of forces. Lakia is one of his own among strangers, a stranger among his own, who is slowly finding a new meaning in life. I would also like to separately mention Sachika, who, having always been hyperactive, becomes helpless and vulnerable when faced with tragedy. This is understandable because, unlike the riders, there have been no losses in her life, and therefore she does not know how to overcome them. I will remind you that even an insult from a stranger upset her and knocked her off track; what to say about the death of a loved one? But even when there are tears in her eyes and you don’t want to smile at all, Sachika finds the strength to support her friends.
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And now let’s talk about happiness. This is the central theme of the show (yes, sweets are more of an entourage that also brings happiness), and therefore being outraged by its frequent mention is like spitting on friendship in Fourze. Happiness connects all the main characters. The show's heroes are looking for their own happiness. Shouma was born in a joyless world, where he received only crumbs of happiness from his mother, and then suddenly transported to the place of his dreams. For the first time in his life, he saw so much happiness, and therefore he is ready to protect it at all costs. For Hanto, traumatized by the loss of his mother, happiness is that no one else repeats his fate, so he will desperately strive for this through obstacles, suffering, mistakes, and new losses. On the other hand, for Lakia, happiness was his brother, so after Comel's death, he, albeit with the apathy inherent in the character, is looking for something new. And he finds it in his role as a protector. So, in fact, all three riders of the show have in common that for them, heroism is the path to happiness. And that is why Sachika, for whom happiness is helping others, becomes an ideal ally for them. And then there is Dante, who found his happiness in eating sweets in a cave. He also helps the heroes, but out of a sense of guilt. And through him it is shown that even if you change from the past, you cannot escape and will have to answer for your sins.
On the other hand, the villains of the show already have happiness (except Shuga. He lost his before the show began and is trying to replace it with a surrogate) but they do not value it and therefore lose it. The twins enjoy their unity but are completely indifferent to everyone else. Glotta values her family, but gentle words escape her only on the verge of death. Nyelv lives in a world without his hated grandfather and is busy with his favorite work, but he himself destroys himself, getting involved in a confrontation that is too serious for him. Lango, contrary to his own words, has all the prospects for a brilliant future, but his old grievanceslikes, inability to get out of the shell of prejudice and feigned coolness destroys him. Twice. The same applies to Bokka, who, being the most powerful, dies because he wanted even more power. In fact, the crime of all local villains is that they encroached on someone else's happiness instead of enjoying their own. And the heroes protect him from them. In this regard, the contrast is not bad, but I would like it to be felt on a more personal level.
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Now let's move away from philosophy and talk about the action. It is gorgeous. The active use of both real and CGI environments makes it unique in each episode. I could list my favorite moments for a long time, from the stretch between containers to Gavv running on thrown knives, but then I would have to remember them all, so I'll move on to the costumes.
And, in my opinion, all the battles about them are a dispute between blunt and sharp-edged.
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The costumes in Gavv are normal. This is exactly what you would expect as soon as the theme with sweets was announced, so you shouldn't be indignant at them. But at the same time, unlike Gaim or Ex-Aid, they have no uniqueness outside the theme, so praising them would also be overkill. But what really impresses me is the implementation of their abilities. It's not just a snack-based design but also taking into account all the features of the chosen food, including the minuses. Very cool. My personal favorite is Valen's chocolate donut with its cartoonish effects.
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However, I must note that the combination of an unusual theme and its chic implementation was able to even change the audience's priorities. Usually riders are criticized for the large number of forms, but in Gavv, on the contrary, the audience wanted to see more diverse options. I won't say that this is unique, because I remember the fan art of Majade with a ignater and the Zi-O forms on the Showa riders' theme. But it is in Gavv that this opinion is voiced more often and louder, being, so to speak, in the mainstream of discussions, so I had to mention it.
From forms, let's move on to Gochizo. They are cute, funny useful and perfectly liven up the show. Perfect helpers. I still prefer Chemies for more variety and individuality, but these little colorful boxes are also great. It's a shame that the initiative with live gimmicks will be abandoned next year. But at least the live bike will be back again.
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To sum up, I want to say that Gavv is a great show, with which I had a great time. Even the shortcomings I mentioned at the beginning play in its own way to its advantage. Now I will explain this non-obvious idea. Many writers have never been able to surpass their first and/or best show. On the other hand, Komura's debut in Riders turned out to be great, but not flawless. So she has the opportunity to do better next time. And I personally will look forward to it. But first, I will enjoy the Gavv post-content, which I really do not want to say goodbye to and which I will mention more than once.
I think I can safely give Gavv the second place among my favorite Riders of the Reiwa era, and even the first, if you put aside personal preferences. Needless to say, it was a great show. But, after a delicious snack, it is useful to take a little nap for better digestion of food. And who knows what incredible adventures you will see in your dreams?
Autumn is coming, and with it, Zeztz.
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Of all the Gavv episodes, I think I liked this one the LEAST.
Very underwhelming finale

Even less than recap?

I like how Gavv has to resort to using all his previous forms in the final fight. Even if Lango is kind of a dumb enemy.

So that was the end of Gavv. Not bad, could have been better, was enjoyable no doubt. The main cast carried the series.

Now let's see how Zeztz carries on.

Well, Recaps are a thing in Toku, so no. Very unfinished rushed feel to this unsatisfactory ending. Kinda emotionally unattached ending leaving me feeling empty about it. Because I DETESTED WITH A PASSION I KEPT MOSTLY TO MYSELF the Candy theme, I found it very SILLY/childish/juvenile/just plain “Not Cool Looking enough for me” aesthetic, I don’t think it’s worth rewatching.

I wish the final impact between Lango and Gavv had more impact. That part of the fight wasn't satisfying. Just boom, and then poof, Lango is feathers.

While I would've liked a confrontation between Masaru and Shouma about his sister, I do also like that Masaru is willing to wait for Shouma to be comfortable about telling him that truth, and that him piecing it together was enough for me.

One thing I do wish we returned to was the family the Wolf Granute was helping. Would've been nice to see how they're doing since he was basically keeping them afloat all this time.

While I've overall enjoyed Gavv quite a lot, this episode was a quiet letdown. More than anything, it felt like our showrunners'd had enough content for 1.5 episodes, and this episode was the .5. The previous episode did almost all of the interesting stuff.

The passing-of-the-baton-to-the-next-Rider just... winked too hard, I guess? I was reminded that this is, fundamentally, a show aimed at children. The final Rakia scene underscored this: I suspect that this was added at the last minute because Rakia's death, with the rest of the cast never knowing what happened to him, would have been too sad. "I'm not lonely because I have a hero-powerup parfait to keep me company" is a *deeply* weird note to hit.

The most interesting moment of the episode, for me, was the moment when Hanto offered a nonviolent ending to Liselle and Jeebh, and Jeebh *almost* went for it. Jeebh has struck me for a while as one of the show's unfulfilled creative intentions: it's felt like they'd intended to do something interesting with him, but never quite decided on what.

The internal logic of our heroes just leaving Liselle running around in the human world is... not apparent to me, beyond the showrunners thinking "maybe we'll tap her for spin-off stories." We'd established that she's master-villain powerful, she enjoys other people's misery above all else, she's utterly callous to human death, and I always suspected she'd kill Jeebh if he ever seemed entirely happy. Heck, they were hinting in that direction just a couple of episodes ago.
Instead, Jeebh sacrifices his life to save her, and I guess that works in an anime-story-beat sense, except their relationship was super-unhealthy.

As to Masaru, I guess the showrunners figured out a little too late that the "hey, turns out I'm your half-monster nephew, and by the way, your missing sister was turned into MSG for addictive monster candy" was too awkward a conversation to air, probably because of the many very uncomfortable questions it raised, and what kind of monster is going to ask actors to try to make that conversation work on-screen?

The final fight scenes continued to be pretty inventive, but the gimmick for the Gavv-Lango battle was iffy: it was fun at first, but the weakest form being the one to defeat the final villain defied all genre logic. We're not given a reason for why Gavv, in Poppin' Gummy form, could defeat Lango when all his prior powerups, *including the one that had "killed" Lango before* failed, beyond "I've got relationships to protect, and you don't" with a side order of "Hey, the base Rider design was pretty cool-looking, wasn't it?"

So here's the end of the show's intentions. They never got around to doing anything interesting with the two broken halves of Hanto's master, or what that could imply for a different broken, hito-pressed character. We never learned how Lango survived his previous defeat, although we did at least learn that the showrunners would continue updating depiction of the villains during the show's closing through the penultimate episode.

Still, I enjoyed Gavv for 49.5 episodes, and the last episode serving as, IMO, a relatively weak denouement only sours it a little. It was a fun (and remarkably dark) ride, and the snack-themed suits were charming in a Gaim sort of way. Next week, we'll see whether Zeztz will be as much fun.

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I can't imagine a conclusion much better for Gavv, honestly.

There are things that come to mind I would've liked to have seen, for sure. An easy one is that, while Fujita's action direction during that amusement park fight had so many wonderful ideas back-to-back with a density befitting a finale, the actual images are frequently less dynamic than they probably would've been with Sugihara there to take it even further. That's the big complaint I expected to have going in, and on that particular point, the episode performed merely to my expectations.

In so many other ways, though, it did exactly what I want from a finale, by surprising me with things that far exceeded my expectations. I was ready to be content simply with PoppinGummy returning one last time, but I was delighted to get a full-on showcase of every Gavv form (that wasn't a seasonal thing), constructed specifically to go in reverse order of how they were introduced (barring Over Mode flipping back to Master), counting down to the suit that started it all.

That's a concept that feels traditionally *big*, but I also think what truly made this finale shine was how it doesn't really need to be big at all, because its strongest moments are often smaller and more quiet. Great as the action was, and as nicely written and performed as the dialogue between Shouma and Lango is (and there are some *real* nice nuances in those exchanges), the simple visual of Shouma leaving behind that pack of candy is maybe the most powerful bit of storytelling in the whole episode.

There's room in there for every viewer to read into it a little differently and have it all be valid, but it strikes me as Shouma basically wishing his older brother happiness in the next life. In the end, there's no proper reconciliation; Shouma Stomach ends the series as the last remnant of his father's lineage -- the only one who managed to truly escape that cycle of sorrow. From early on, I felt the series did a good job playing up the inherent duality of Shouma's bubbly personality and the more somber tone he occasionally has in-costume, forced to protect the happiness of humanity by taking the lives of people who are just as much his own kind. So I also see that moment after the fight here as Shouma's way of resolving to cleanse himself of that lifestyle, now that the threat has ended, connecting to the very final scene of the show, which suggests a Kamen Rider who now rides off to help even the monsters he once fought against.

And that's pretty beautiful, right? It's very true to the show's spirit, and it demonstrates so much growth for the characters. It's how I feel about pretty much everything else going on here, too. Jiip's sendoff isn't like anything I would've asked for myself, but he finds a sense of clarity that makes his whole journey feel meaningful. Having Valen up against a duo of characters who currently are or have previously been out for revenge creates a strong parallel, just like the Gavv/Lango fight does, and having Hanto finding himself wishing he could show those Granute opponents mercy pays off his whole year of development just as well. Vram got his last fight scene in last time, but Lakia similarly gets to reaffirm all that he's learned in a way that's sad without being the outright tragedy the show could've chosen if it had been so inclined. Even Masaru gets to recognize the truth of his connection to Shouma, and decide on his own terms how to let that affect their relationship, which, true to his character, turns out to be very similar to how Shouma decided to handle it.

Despite being a finale, the vibe of it ends up being more just that life goes on, rather than being a definitive last page where everything is neatly wrapped up forever. There's a sense all these people will continue to grow and change, whether that's in a post-series film we get to see, or in a place we can only imagine ourselves. I couldn't imagine Gavv actually ending, and as it turns out, I didn't really need to. This is still a highly satisfying resolution, but from a slightly different angle than usual. In terms of plot and character development, it feels almost like we could just move on to a new chapter next week if we really wanted to -- I'm sure Bandai could keep selling Gochizo for another full year -- but in terms of the sorts of broader questions the show was asking, it certainly feels like we've got our answers at this point.

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I'd imagine the feathers left a greater impact on me than on most people? Totally justified Morota being the director for Gavv's finale to me. It's a trick of his I've liked since Gaim, that I've loved since it was such a prominent motif in Ghost. And now that it's in Gavv too, I'll love it that much more.

I've frequently described Saber as a Kamen Rider show that's must've been made by me, but Gavv feels more like a show I'd say must've been made for me. A lot of decisions it made are not ones I would've thought to, but those decisions, nearly *every* decision it made, resulted in a show that, in its totality, was tailored perfectly to my tastes on a level that not many Rider shows can claim. I believe Gavv to be a pretty special show in general -- one plenty of people are going to look back on in retrospect after some time and realize all over again how good they had it for a year -- but it's special to me in a way that's probably, well, special to me.

Whether or not I've managed to convey any of that in an interesting fashion writing about it for a year, I'm not sure. But I am glad I made that choice to try and put it into words, and I'm glad I managed to stick to that choice all this time. Hopefully, I made at least a couple good observations somewhere in there that were fun to read, but for my own sake, I'm simply grateful I got to be so immersed in Gavv throughout its run. Not just having fun watching it, and not just writing the posts, but all the parts in the middle that I've never had the room to mention until now, because until now, I've never done a post about Gavv that's double the servings. I was watching each episode twice, that second time actually being with fansubs for the first time in a while. I was thinking about each episode so much harder, not just from that, and not just from the writing, but even from things like how I'd think about the visuals of an episode a bit more in the process of picking a screencap. I had a whole secret rule for that part (only broken for this final summary) that every one would feature a transformed Rider, something I decided on after the second episode's picture, figuring it would be a neat challenge to try and find something in the action that also conveyed the story... or at least something that looked nice enough as a still image, failing that. (Assuming I even managed that much consistently!)

That's all probably rather excessive, but I knew right away I wanted to savor the experience of Gavv as much as possible, and I feel pretty confident that I did exactly that. I'll no doubt continue to savor it, whether in my memory or just by going back to watch it all over again, but right here and now, in the moment, I felt it was important to do all that I could to recognize what a big deal Gavv is to me. It's a show that manages to encompass simultaneously all of the most fundamental things that makes Kamen Rider appeal to me, from across all its different eras, while also making room for so many smaller treats recalling more specific things I've loved throughout the franchise's history, all while adding its own unique sensibilities to contribute something new to that tapestry. So at the end of the day, the only thing I can think to say that sums up Kamen Rider Gavv -- perhaps the smartest observation I can make about it -- is still the very same one I started with.

When I think of Kamen Rider, I'm generally thinking of a show like this.

For the last time, Gochisousama deshita!

I think you're right. While I've complained about the candy-type Gochizous in the past, I have to admit, that Spyhunter reference was surprising!

Amazingummy is a mortal Gochizou and can only be created under special circumstances, making it essential to defeat the strongest enemy Bocca. It would be wasted on a chump like Lango, who Gavv has already beaten before.

On one hand, bigots are inherently illogical people who will spout all kinds of nonsense to deny that they're wrong. On the other hand, Lango made more effort to justify his prejudice in the Over/Master arc, claiming that humans are weak and therefore inferior from the perspective of Granute society. However, this was proven wrong in the following episode when Gavv kicked his a**. Not only that, but he is forced to rely on Gavv's power to defeat Bocca. It looked like he was starting to acknowledge Shouma, but instead, he insists until the end that Shouma is weak, which makes himself look completely stupid.

While I can see the intention of contrast between Shouma who has changed a lot and Lango who has stayed the same, this doesn't feel like a thematically fitting confrontation for the show's final boss. Lango doesn't have any grand vision, he was born in to a "privilege" his family never should've had and all his methods to reclaim what Bouche "took away" rely on leeching off the ideas of Zombu, Nyelve and Bocca, since he has none of his own, other than poisoning and backstabbing when his opponent is too strong. Certainly, he is a pathetic man who survived this long by mere luck.

This is true. There are shows that are loved deeply by so many, that lesser praise like "it's good" risks getting dismissed as hate. As someone who mostly enjoyed Gavv, I do think it seems a little overrated, but maybe some of that is due to Gotchard, Geats and pre-emptive Zeztz haters exaggerating about it.

For sure. The worst part about Gavv is that the adorable cat from the OP doesn't have more scenes!

It's interesting how Shouma never loses his resentment despite Dente's image of Bouche as a loving father, yet neither of them are completely right or wrong about him either. Bouche did terrible things with good intentions and this indirectly became the reason for Shouma's first big development of realizing that depriving happiness is wrong. For a posthumous character, he had a big presence in the plot. Considering how much Dente loved his family, he would be sad to know that only his youngest grandnephew and grandniece-in-law survived.

The environmental fight scenes in Gavv are honestly some of the most creative and impressive I've seen in Rider, especially with how the snack powers can be combined for surprising effects.

I thought it was fitting how Jeep found love once more and performed a heroic sacrifice for Liselle as Theta did for him. However, it really bugs me that he never got a final confrontation with Shouma, considering how much they parallel each other. To a lesser extent, there were no scenes between Sachika and Liselle, but at this point I'm used to Sachika mostly being useful in the background. Even though Jeep found a reason to live beyond revenge, I still would've liked to see that acknowledged in dialogue between them, like we got with Lakia's speech to Glotta.

Hanto's role here is probably the biggest disappointment about the final arc for me. The entire first half of the show was all about Shouma's and Hanto's dramatic volatile relationship and yet, Hanto's last emotional moment was with Lakia, not Shouma. And as Valen, his last henshin is to clean up the leftovers (although, feels like every villain after Bocca's death is a leftover) after they refuse his offer of a peaceful resolution. Perhaps the staff are aware of his minimized role though, which is why he's going to the protagonist of the upcoming Guilty Parfait.

Overall, Kamen Rider Gavv is a Komura show, with dynamic heroes and stale villains. And I'm okay with that! I appreciate Komura's care for character interactions, at least for the main ones we're supposed to care about. This meal she and Takebe have cooked tasted no less and no more as good as I expected, but it was good and I look forward to eating it once more in the future. Compliments to the chefs and finally, here's my Reiwa Rider Ranking:

1) Gotchard
2) Saber
3) Gavv
4) Geats
5) Zero One
6) Revice

I still think that putting Hanto against enemies he can sympathize with and put himself in their shoes isn't the worst idea. Plus, it works on the concept of "protect, not take revenge." After all, while Shouma was never consumed by hatred, and Lakia overcame it, Hanto renounced his vendetta consciously and through force. So the fate of Jeebh and Liesel is like a reinforcing lesson for him. But also, perhaps, I would also like to see something more for him. This is what I wrote about in my review in general: the solution is not bad, even good, but there was potential for something great.

Death can be expected due to Build parallel and flashbacks.

What'd you expect from Jeebh by this? I felt that for example, unfulfilled creative intention was George from Revice, where I expected him to make a real life Kamen Rider show for him to watch by aiding heroes and villains alike, regardless of what victim he'd claim by this. Ironically it seems that Geats is the one that seems to do it.

Lizel was toying with Jeebh before, but as for this episode, she claims she now understands how Jeebh feels after suffering from her father's death, so Lizel doesn't view her as personal toy anymore. And Jeebh (as well as the other Stomach) is utterly callous to human deaths as well.

Gaim and Gavv has the same producer so explains the snack and suits.

To be fair, Lango did learn from his previous battle, and does beat Over/Master Gavv now, due to his upgrades in wings. And I'd think by this point, Lango should've easily beat Shoma who's stuck in his weaker forms and live up to his claim about Shoma being weak, if Lango still has his automatic force-field (removed for unknown reasons) or using super speed (which he didn't, just like Kabuto's final battle). AmazinGummy against Bocca was a team effort, but AmazinGummy may be an equal in 1-on-1 against an upgraded Lango (winged) too.

I guess this'd be expected for someone who has Faiz as favorite show, where it means you aren't inherently against miscommunication stuff (though we know it's not as severe as the memes exaggerated, like Takumi and Kiba stuff), or something illogical like bigots as you said above, which many people are and view those as a bad thing of shows/writing. It can feel that what's praised as strong character writing by Komura is about them maturely approaching things, of which the ones that don't would be considered wrong writing/characterization.

People'd think now that, Dente just blindly believes Bouche's claims like he did to Zomb ("No way Bouche genuinely wants to protect them, he doesn't even show affection to his own species let alone humans, he just wants to sadistically control them, as he already SA'd them"), They'd just think Dente is the completely wrong one, with Shoma being completely right one. Dente's an unreliable narrator due to him just blindly believing the best of his family, like what he did to Glotta that led to his death, where Shoma's assertion where Michiru always hated him was the correction for Dente (of which some'd claim Dente's opinion of Bouche changed after hearing that correction, though I feel those people are just projecting their hatred for Bouche on Dente), which'd make the accusation of Bouche SA'd Michiru growing ever stronger (it's unlikely for non-SA or even stockholm syndrome to happen in the claim of Michiru hating Bouche all the time, and yeah it's unlikely if she'd legitimately marry him as someone being kidnapped against her will). Also about how it's recurring that Komura makes her villains pure evil, and Bouche isn't the first about someone with implied SA that she made.

While Shoma has parallel with him, Hanto does have that too in how this final confrontation is about Hanto growing out of revenge compared to them, becoming more like Shoma. Albeit Jeebh claims he'd stop going after revenge after he helped Lizel, thus it seems to be the point that he doesn't go after Shoma, as how in ep. 41, Jeebh already realized how his revenge ways costed him, as well as some previous episodes of Jeebh talking with Shita's ghost about Lizel where Lizel can be her replacement to fill the hole in his heart, or Jeebh saving Lizel, though at that time, Lizel was still toying with Jeebh. so Lizel was confused when her "encouragement" actually cheers up Jeebh. Maybe it's just Komura refusing to give villains time for no Sachika and Lizel confrontation, as Sachika'd get scenes with other heroes as usual like her headbutting Shoma.

I guess, I'd inform that the last two episodes of this finale was directed by Satoshi Morota and not Gavv's head director, Teruaki Sugihara, who left the production back in ep. 46 with Shoma vs Bocca. Morota and Shojiro Nakazawa were given a big shoes to fill in Sugihara's absence. Even Takayuki Shibasaki who usually picked up the slacks weren't directing either. The result was the last 4 episodes of Gavv weren't executed as desirable as it could be. Though I guess dunno about what something bigger Hanto can do, as he's consistently the weakest among the three main Riders in Gavv. Hanto's last emotional moment was probably due to how he's going to part away from Rakia, unlike how he's still hanging out with Shoma at the episode's ending.

You didn't put Gotchard as new favorite show in this thread, though dunno if new show means completed one in that year or starting one.

Yeah, like, it's not exactly doing anything wrong, as it gets to same point at the end. Just that the safe and sensible way doesn't satisfy me as much as the deeper connection I've come to expect from Gavv.

Also ironically, Jeep seemed to be developed to become the final boss, while George became one out of nowhere. As a similarity, they're both Dark Riders with black/gold colors.

Amazingummy seemed pretty even against Bocca though, so Valen, Vram and Lango were the tiebreaker. I imagine Amazingummy against Lango would've been a no-contest. I thought Lango was an appropriate bad*ss villain for the Over/Master arc and his rivalry with Shouma had been resolved nicely there. But like Aguilera from Revice, the show keeps him alive for some reason and it doesn't add anything of value to the story, having lost his intimidation and proving in the finale that he hadn't changed.

Those illogical bigots can be mistaken as poorly written, but yeah, their depiction is sadly accurate to real life. However, it does seem unnecessary to make Lango that type as well, when such hypocrisy was shown clearly in Jeep, Theta and Glotta, while Lango was previously shown to be more pragmatic in his ideals, until he wasn't. Turns out Nyelve is really the only one in the entire company who can think independently, judging people's worth based on traits that are logistically useful to his goal of Stomach's prosperity.

Probably the same people who claim Hanto forgave Kenji, even after Hanto loudly said he hasn't forgiven Kenji. I guess it's hard for some people to understand that good people are allowed to like bad people and vice versa. Glotta's dying words showed that Dente was even right about her loneliness and she was just too insecure and angry to admit it. Dente seems to know the Stomachs better than they know themselves and he also wanted to atone, so like his introduction to Lakia, he probably knew Glotta would kill him if she couldn't handle the truth, but still gambled his life to redeem her. Dente is interesting in this way, as the only character in the show capable of seeing the good in the villains we mostly see as evil.

Now that you mention it, the only villain Sachika interacts with is Lango, which is only since they're both company presidents. Hanto and Lakia don't even let her go to the Granute world, unlike fellow non-Rider heroine Mei who was involved and trusted in many dangerous situations.

Maybe something similar to RabbitDragon, where Gavv gets a special attack (like Caramelmel and Popburn) from a Chocodon infused with Hanto's feelings.

Technically, Gotchard is a show of 2024, but not a new show of 2024, even though Switchblade would've allowed it anyway. Hence why I went with Gavv, which was new.

I definitely declared Gotchard my favorite in the finale thread though.

As I said above, this'd be about the director too. There's the real essence of Gavv when Sugihara directed. The premiere ep. 1-2, Caking debut ep. 13-14, Valen Frappe debut ep. 27-28, and the much better Shoma vs Lango in ep. 35-36, were all directed by Sugihara and he truly knew what made Gavv is Gavv. Sugihara felt like a father to the casts and he watched the growth of Shoma's actors and everyone else. AmazinGummy aside, I feel Lango against Shoma in all of his weaker forms should be a no-contest with super speed and automatic force field.

Well yeah, though this is a Gavv discussion, I'm bringing this up more about generally. Though perhaps because it's illogical and is a 'bad writing', people may forget/ignore this and just blame Bouche for Lango and the other kids becoming evil due to his neglect (though for at least Nyelv, it's clearly due to Zomb), it's about trauma from mistreatment (common villain backstory) and coping with it, rather than acknowledging their illogical bigot views. Can also extend to, albeit not about bigotry, a lesser extent of people blaming Bocca for also neglecting Lizel other than spoiling her that turns her evil, when I doubt if Bocca raises her, he'd teach Lizel properly like discipining her (which I thought Zomb may mold the children to eat humans). Where in contrast, they see Shoma as only not evil because he's raised right by Michiru.

But what'd you think about his views on Zomb compared to the others here? As it'd be what leads to harm of others in Dark Treats creation which Dente wanted to atone. And there can be clear flaws in him right like how he doesnt ask questions, not thinking about Michiru and Shouma's perspective (which is how Shoma explaining is seen as a correction to him), and running away from his mistake in Dark Treats at first.

I had fun watching Gavv, it's probably my favorite Reiwa entry so far.

The music carried the show hard IMO, from the first time Gavv transformed and the theme kicked in I was on board. The compositions and their execution are stupid good.

And it was never a boring ride, the characters were a joy to watch (Sachika is forever best girl), action was awesome, stories were interesting and even though I wasn’t entirely sold on the suits from the start, I quickly grew to appreciate them for what they were.

While strong, I feel like the ending needed 1 or 2 episodes more to fully pay off. I'm a bit bummed out by the things that were handled off-screen like Shoma telling Masaru he is his nephew, that was a big thing I was looking forward to see.

Plus, many things are just left unresolved like Lizel and Lakia being stranded in opposite worlds. There will be V-Cinema's no doubt, but I wished the show had more time.

It was a mighty delicious time though, I'm gonna miss Gavv and am looking forward to a rewatch in the future.

That didn't happen off-screen; it just plain didn't happen. That's why during the ending Shouma asks Masaru about "Michiru-san" instead of asking about his mother -- Shouma is sticking to what we already saw him decide earlier, and what that scene is showing us is that even though Masaru has realized the basics of the situation on his own, he's similarly decided to give Shouma the space to talk about the truth when he wants to, rather than forcing it out of him. They're both very kind people that way!