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Originally Posted by Matrixbeast

No, it's not. The Avengers film shares little in common with the comics, with the characters being quite different iterations of the characters. From Cap not being part of the original Avengers to Fury being the Ultimate version that was only created in 2000 to Antman's complete absence, the film was all it's own, not just a comic plot brought to life.


This is more how one felt concerning Loki. To some, it could be argued that his entire motivation is to be the king and conqueror that his father once was, to others, it could be his ego that makes him want to be seen as someone with value and power, to another it could him being a petulant child doing stuff with no rhyme or reason.


It's a source of power. They made that incredibly clear, and they only used it as such. They weren't breaking their own rules, it only did one thing, and it was only used for one thing. As a power source.


You're judging a character's worth by how big of a laser they can shoot? Because Hawkeye called shots and made sure the team knew where the army was moving, Black Widow, while not the most vital member during the climax, was relatively important in gathering the members, most notably Iron Man and the Hulk, and Captain America lead. He kept his mind on the mission, he made sure civilians were safe, and he always stepped up.
Thor is a fair enough point, and Maria Hill was always like that.


Just because Loki wasn't the ultimate fight during the climax doesn't mean there wasn't an identifiable villain. Additionally, the point of the team dynamic is just that, a team. It reduces the impact when it goes down to a 6 on 1 showdown.


Obviously not if you didn't know what the Tesse-"Greatest power source on the planet"-ract's purpose was.


I'll agree that the film's best strength was the initial lack of synergy and clashing personalities of the characters.
I don't think it would have been the better direction to take the film in, though, because if it was written in a more realistic manner, Thor, Cap, and Iron Man would not get along in the slightest, with Thor and Stark being hard headed enough to just up and leave if not given everything demanded.



That's the point of the Avengers. They're not the X-Men, they're not the Fantastic Four. They're a group of individually recognized and decorated heroes who join together to stop [X]. They're supposed to be the unstoppable force that charges in. The squabbling over ideals, the scale of their threats, the essential arm twisting until they become team players is what the Avengers handle. Where the X-Men's personal issues stem from their love dodecahedrons, where the Fantastic Four's infighting comes from Reed being the worst leader imaginable, the Avenger's personal problems come from clashing ideals because these are people who don't need the team to succeed as a hero, and they know it, but the threat is large enough for them to realize they need to team to win this particular problem.

They mixed up the team and smashed together different versions of the heroes from different stories, granted, but I have no fucking idea why and it doesn't make it original or fresh to smash in classic heroes with Ultimate ones, it's just baffling.

Not just the tesseract, it's been a while since I've seen the film, but Loki's staff if I remember correctly had six very different powers over the course of the film with not a single explanation as to why.

Hawkeye's strengths were there, but his personality was ripped out in doing so, and that rubbed me up the wrong way. Hawkeye has a much bigger personality than basically everyone on the team bar Iron Man, so to take that away from him was a shit, shit move.

You could have achieved just as much with just Iron Man, Hulk and Thor, the movie made little to no attempt to establish why the others needed to be there. Often bending their own rules to make them fit.

I never identified Loki as a focused villain because he had no motivations and was taken out in a gag, only for the Putty Pattrolers to be chucked in at the end lining up to be knocked down. There is a reason you fought the Putties BEFORE the monster of the week.

The Avengers always had villains who put up a fight, who would kick their asses, Loki was completely useless and no villain ever provided any kind of tension or put the Avengers on their toes so the film was boring.