[Kamen Rider Lucha]

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It's not, but also a ton of Western superheroes do the same.

I'd say Marvel's defining feature is that most of it's heroes are flawed types overcoming/coping with their shortcomings.

Totally agree. And a lot of criticism of Western super heroes has to do with how reactionary they are. So this point has a little bit of peanut butter in its chocolate and a little bit of chocolate in its peanut butter.

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Only problem is most of the time these shows have pointless filler, rather than anything important to the story.

And that doesn't mean they can't still be heroes at the same time.

Well, filler is its own problem. Ongoing American stories have lots of filler too. That's an accessibility issue, at least in America. Networks don't like stories that are too complex (which any 24 hour series where every episode is story-centric would be) because it alienates potential new viewers. I feel like that applies doubly to a kids' show.

And if they're not true heroes until the end, they can't really be truly heroic in the middle. Right?

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That's all fine and dandy, but seeing as riders still fight a monster every week, I don't see why they always have to be late to the action.

Why couldn't Kiva have arrived to save everyone, verses arriving to see them freshly drained? And why does he not care? Where's the bigger fish? He doesn't give a shit about ANYTHING. Ditto Agito, who hardly ever even acknowledged the fact that he was a rider to the point where I thought he didn't know, not that he was selfishly and moronically ignoring it in favour of his God-damn tomatoes.

I guess I'm not really understanding this complaint. Unless they're clairvoyant, how is it possible for a hero to know trouble is going to break out before it does?

I think being reactionary is a facet of any hero, and that's why groups like The Authority were created. That series illustrates why heroes can't be too proactive: because that way leads toward fascism. "We're going to stop you before you do anything wrong!" "How do you know I was about to do something wrong?" "You're the type to do wrong!" "I haven't done wrong, you can't punish me just because you think my type is prone to doing wrong things." "No, I can, because my moral authority is unimpeachable!"

Since they're not able to predict the future, is it morally justifiable for a hero to draw first blood or throw the first punch?

That said, it is pretty weird how unfeeling Kiva tends to be in the face of all this outright murder. But I don't judge that show like I judge other shows -- so little of it makes any logical sense.

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It really seems like the needs of the rider outweigh the needs of anybody.

Ha! Too true.

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He values violin varnish over human lives. How is that a hero?

Wataru is a bit autistic isn't he?

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If Kiva was truely apathetic, and was a dark, selfish person and, say, Shizuka was the justice-filled one goading him into saving people before fighting a monster, that'd be different. That'd be brillaint, really. If an average person saw this power being used so selfishly and tried to make Kiva more heroic. That'd be a really good idea, and fit with the suit well.

That would have been pretty badass. It would also have given Shizuka a reason for existing!