[Suzu]

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Originally Posted by AwesomeJayRobin

A lot of the criticism has come from people who speak Japanese though. this wasn't about different interpretations on a sentence this was criticism that the subs were based on a foreign dub and was very inaccurate overall.

Of course subs based on foreign dubs/subs are inaccurate, I explained that in an earlier post. And the majority of my last post was not just referring to this discussion, but to fansubbing in general.
But honestly, "people who speak Japanese told me so" is not an argument if used by someone who doesn't. The person who said so in the first place should express their criticism and they should also state what exactly isn't correct, so that others can improve. This is far more helpful than: "I know someone who says your translation is not correct, so what you do is bad!"- And there's many people who do that.

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Originally Posted by AwesomeJayRobin

and true, Fansubbers owe us nothing and no-one is saying they do. what people are saying (fansubbers as well )is that the subs put out were really bad and were put out way to quickly by a group that didn't do enough preparation, didn't bother to learn a lot of the stuff that the other groups do.

There's enough people acting like they do.
Well, you can't force someone to learn from others. Every group has their own way, which isn't necessary correct, but in the end it's up to them. Besides, I don't know how much about the actual process the other groups do talk about somewhere publicly. If you don't talk to them in private and can look up their tactics nowhere in public, how exactly are you supposed to learn from them?

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Originally Posted by AwesomeJayRobin

They rushed in with out fully understanding the magnitude of the project they'd taken on.

That's true, of course, but then again, they didn't mean any harm by rushing in.

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Originally Posted by AwesomeJayRobin

I have to create subs for English language shows and even them are a hell of a lot of work, that's without translation on top of it. I appreciate their efforts but I would appreciate them a hell of a lot more if they read what others have done, and take the next step to learn the the skills. There is no mastery, No appreciation of the effort of putting out high quality subs. As long as the plot is understandable. Personally I hold them to a higher standard. Maybe i'm spoiled by groups like GUIS or MFC, and even TVN cause despite the critism they do put out a product that is watchable and do they're best to present the most accurate translation by their standards.

What exactly are they supposed to read then? Are there blogs or forums specifically about translation techniques? And if so, do LFSS know about those?
The appreciation could come from those who watch them at least. I've seen some people thanking Aesir and Over-Time in the comments, but it's just a handful and that's kinda sad. Especially because there's still so many people out there bashing groups mindlessly instead of thinking of the backgrounds of subbing first.

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Originally Posted by AwesomeJayRobin

LFSSS are trying to stand on the shoulders of giants, but IMHO don't appreciate the effort or respect the fans, if their reaction to critism is "well if you don't like our subs, don't watch them."

That's a stupid position to have, but in the end it has some truth behind it. If someone doesn't care about constructive criticism and you don't like what they do- stop bothering. These days, we are in the lucky position to have at least some alternatives.