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Originally Posted by Matrixbeast

What's the relation to my question?

See:
Fact - Chalice is a Kamen Rider.
Fact - Hajime's (KR Chalice) Rider form is just the Mantis Undead (Ace of Hearts) with the Joker Buckle (There is no further alterations to the Mantis Undead's monster form other than he's wearing a buckle).

It leads to my question. Where does the criteria for being a Rider end?
Does the Mantis Undead always qualify as a Rider, with or without being scanned by the Joker Undead?
Do all Ace Undead qualify as Riders?
Or does simply being a Joker Undead mean you're a Rider, regardless of what card you're scanning?

I think the Joker-explanation might be the most logical one, as the Rider system in Blade was based on Joker's powers. So all that have Joker's powers or some that are similar are counted as riders. I guess.

Though the name "Kamen Rider Chalice" isn't used in the show at all, if I remember correctly. So basically, the show never confirms him as a rider.

It's confusing. It really is.