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Originally Posted by ZeoRangerV

Well I can certainly see your argument some of your points (especially Marika), but there's a couple of things I disagree with.

How you feel is one thing, but he was definitely never the "true" villain nor was he ever meant to be. Gaim is a story about humans first and foremost, more specially about the temptation of ultimate power and how said power corrupts. This is present in almost everything Gen Urobuchi writes - Madoka, Psycho-Pass, Gargantia, Aldnoah.Zero...I could go on. Gaim even had the imagery to enforce it all the more. Sagara/Helheim isn't inherently evil, it simply serves a purpose, its what humans choose to do with the power that causes disaster. Whether its Kaito, Ryouma, Yggdrasil, the Inves (who were also humans once), the result is the same.

His motivations were clear as day from the very first episode. His character never changed.

As I said above, Kaito made his intentions clear right from the very beginning. Yes Micchy went off the deep end, but he was also highly unstable and constantly being manipulated. No-one manipulated Kaito, he used people to his own ends and knew exactly what he wanted.

The guy discarded his humanity for the sake of his cause, that's about as symbolic of being at the point of no return as you can get.

Well as I have had this debate like a month or two ago I am always prepared for this. Well I have only seen three and half things by Gen Urobuchi and only ones that I liked the most was Expelled from Paradise and his character from Chaos Dragon was intriguing. If all his stories are about how power corrupts isn't that a little cliché? Thus only helping my argument that Gaim has writing issues lol. See everyone always brings up the temptation aspect with Sagara yet he only gave the power ups to Kouta, because if he gave it to any of the other 3, they would have killed him realizing that he was the mastermind behind it all. Continuing the writing problems they never go into why Sagara did this and if he is neutral than who gave him the power to do this? Also Kaito did change he was starting to work with the others and become this leader. When he got cut stupidly that's when he started to go off the deep end and now I can believe that the Invess power made him go mad; which is fine but leads to why didn't Kouta try and save him them if he was driven mad? Yes Micchy was unstable but if Kouta wasn't an idiot he could tried to save his friend sooner. Continuing that Sagara is the main villain argument if you remove him from the equation the entire show doesn't happen because there is no Invess Forest, there is no Lockseeds, there is no Kamen Rider. Sagara gives the power to the Invess which then leads to the forest. Now see I am not saying Sagara is evil but I am saying he is the villain or main antagonist.