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Aw yeah, time for some conflicting opinions!

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Originally Posted by DecadeW Climax

Start an off-topic Rider rant that doesn't fit anywhere else. Maybe about a character or a story arc you didn't like, or maybe something you liked. Let's make this long!

I'll start, I don't like Fourze, AT ALL. The characters are also bland. They're really just high school stereotypes, I don't know why people are attached to them so much. The minimal character development that went into the side characters didn't flesh them out, just made them go from against Gentaro to with Gentaro, there really shouldn't have been that many side characters

I really really really like Fourze, so I'll admit my perspective is hardly objective, but complaining about the characters being stereotypes is completely missing the point! I hear people who didn't like Fourze say this particular complaint all the time and it really annoys me.

The whole series is about high school and friendship and stuff like that so they deliberately made the side characters a group of archetypes as part of "don't judge a book by its cover" sort of message. Shun and Miu, for example, are very stock "popular kid" characters who appear to be total a-holes only to turn out to be perfectly nice people. Even Gentarou dresses like a stereotypical Japanese delinquent straight out of a million other shows and movies.

I can give you that they aren't particularly deep characters, but when is anybody in Rider, really? The characters don't go through a ton of change, but their relationships do, and that's what the show was about. Kengo is the best example, since over the course of the show he goes from outright disliking Gentarou to having a rocky but understanding friendship and by the end of the show they're basically best pals, and it all happens in a surprisingly gradual, realistic way for such an over-the-top show.

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Originally Posted by DecadeW Climax

I'm planning on watching Kabuto soon, people mostly complain about the main right? Well people who don't like Kabuto's main but they also don't like Takumei and I liked Takumei. Maybe because I relate to narcissists...

Yeah, but Tendou doesn't have the hidden depths that Takumi has. Takumi is a guy who's a jerk to people because relationships kind of scare him, whereas Tendou is just a giant d*** the whole show, and not even the other characters know what his deal is.

It's no big deal though, everyone knows Kagami's the real hero here.

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Originally Posted by GoldenXtreme

Well I mean yeah, I get all of that but the way some people talk about it it might as well be the devil incarnate, which is just weird to me when it does have a fair share of good attributes. I also find that Kagami is a good foil to Tendou's Mary Sue powers and there are other seasons that take even longer to get going. I guess what I'm trying to say is I get why people dislike it but why THAT much?

Because it used to get pretty hyped up? I wasn't actually around when it was airing or anything, but I used to see people talk about how totally cool and awesome and stylish Kabuto was a lot, and I figure people who watched the show hearing all that were disappointed to find out how mediocre a lot the writing can be, sweet slo-mo fights be damned.

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Originally Posted by Annuga

A.WHY did Necrom's Eyecons stick with Alain? B.WHERE did the Necrom Eyecon come from? C.WHY did the Eyecons ditch Takeru and then decide "nah fam you're aight" D.Houdini was hyped up as a Specter's Super mode, yet he very rarely fights with it. E.Necrom was actually very well executed as a villain, theme that sent a shiver down your spine, immortality so that he couldn't be beaten, etc. Javert was hyped up, but all he does is 'FITE MEEEEEEH' and then get his ass handed to him by the new super mode!

Okay, so even I'm not crazy enough to respond to all of that but let me see if I can't clear a few things up.

A.He was having a bit of an existential crisis at the time and I think the idea was they believed he'd end up on the side of good.
B.Who cares?! No but seriously, the same place as all the other Ganma crap. They built it. Igor even has his own knockoff version.
C.He was having a bit of an existential crisis at the time and I think the idea was they didn't want him using their power until he got his crap back together.
D.CG is expensive, just ask GataKiriBa.
E.The point is that for how cool and in control they look, they're both kind of losers who need to do some growing up. Alain obviously did, and Javert has gotten a couple pep talks from the apparently useless Onari.

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Originally Posted by Matrixbeast

Decade. Why

Because Tsukasa is one of the most fun protagonists in Kamen Rider and any amount of aborted plot-lines and watered-down parodies of way better shows makes it all worth it.


*Whew!* I think that's enough for now. If I'm being too positive for anybody, just ask me about Gaim. Or The Next. I know that's a cheap shot, but really, f*** that movie.

Sorry I ate up this much of a page!