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Originally Posted by Damienthathedge

Yeah a complete redesign isn't happening just cause some westerners are upset they didn't get a bombastic final form.

You're asking too much for a show that's nearing it's ending arc, suit design for Zero-One should be wrapped up by now save for any V-Cinema stuff they have planned.

They've got nothing to make up, clearly they're moving away from the overly busy final forms that we've been getting for most Heisei Riders. Reiwa is a new era, they're gonna be experimental.

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Originally Posted by Kurona

"Make it up to the fans"? Like... speak for yourself, mate. From what I've seen people have been pretty split on it; with most people liking it.

Speaking as a guy who doesn't think that Zero-Two is final form material, yea there's no way that they're going to change it because of western fans complaining about it. For me I'm just mostly wishing there was just a liiiiiittle more to the form than we're getting.

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Originally Posted by BrokenDreams

You know, I honestly don't understand the complaining about the Zero-Two suit. Whenever we get an overly bombastic final form suit like Build Genius or Grand Zi-O, it's just people complaining about how ugly or overly complicated they look. So Toei finally gives us a more simple, sleeker looking final form suit, and people are complaining again. And even then, another way to look at it is as the base form of Zero-Two, not the final form for Zero-One.

Regardless, even if you say Zero-Two is Zero-One's final form, all the complaining will vanish once the suit shows up in-show. Just like every infamous suit that was complained about until they debuted, this is how it'll go. Once it debuts people will start complimenting that it looks much better than it did in magazine scans, and then people will forget they spent months complaining about how horrible and ugly the suit was. Grand Zi-O was one that was hated for so long, then it debuted and people stopped complaining.

And I guarantee it'll happen in the next season too. And the season after that. And the season after that. And so on. It never ends with complaining about suit designs that eventually stop after the debut.

Speaking from personal experience, I've always like, consistently liked all the final forms up to this point, regardless of whether or not it's "overly bombastic", with some minor critiques here and there.

Kiva Emperor? Love the regal-ness of the gold and red.
Decade Complete? Love the cards that are just plastered on.
Fourze Cosmic States? The button-pad chest armor for the Astroswitches is a clever idea.
Gaim Kiwami Arms? Love that it's samurai warlord armor with fruits painted on the chest.
Ghost Mugen Damashii? The long-coat is amazing.
Ex-Aid Muteki Gamer? FUCK YEA GOLDEN STAR DREADLOCKS.
Build Genius? I like how the Fullbottles are placed and I think the centrifuge chest is a cool look (definitely makes it a good counterpart to Evol's armillary sphere chest).
GrandZi-O? It's like Blade King Form (one of my favorite all-time final forms) BUT WITH KAMEN RIDER STATUES INSTEAD.

Like I get the ideas behind Zero-Two and I do think it's a great idea that it's more of a hardware update than just a software update, I just wish it had something a little... more to it than just Zero-One Rising Hopper with some new bits here and there? Like even with the simpler final forms from early Heisei Riders they kinda had enough that while they did appear similar to the base that they looked, they definitely had more to them. Again, Zero-Two's not a bad form, just... a little underwhelming to me, especially considering the progression of some really solid designs like Shining Assault and Metalcluster Hoppers. Honestly I think if the helmet was a little more like Shining Assault or Metalcluster, or that the shoulder armor protruded a little more, I'd like it a bit more.

But yea, you're definitely right that there will always be people who'll find things they don't like about a Rider's final form, since not everyone will be satisfied with how they look.