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Originally Posted by
FreshToku
I'm so happy the Orphenoch has blown your mind the way it should! I don't actually remember what at all my own reaction to this was, I may have already known the twist beforehand? It is a really good twist though, that adds a juicy layer of context to previous scenes.
So while all that is happening, I want to mention how I absolutely do remember some of my feelings regarding that Delta stuff. First of all, Kitazaki just throwing away the belt is certainly unexpected, but like, why though. I was just getting used to Delta as this really menacing villain and then 'nah'.
At the same time, I was also in the same boat as you as when those two Ryusei people came to visit Mari in the hospital, I also didn't know whether they had shown up before or if they were new, so I kinda didn't bother registering them in my mind. That's why when one of them started talking about he didn't want any part of this, I was just like 'good for you, bye'. But then it turns out that's an actual character arc the show was playing out, and I was seriously baffled because with all the other stuff happening in the show, I had no idea why the show kept cutting back to the plight of a random guy whose name I didn't even remember.
But then he gets casually handed the Delta Gear and I was like 'wait... Is he just gonna be Delta from now on??? I guess I gotta catch his name now...'. It bordered on surreal to me. If Kitazaki
had
to arbitrarily throw away the belt, and if it
had
to find one consistent user instead of just being passed around... I figured it would maybe to go someone on Team Orphenoch, or Keitaro (I'm not even gonna pretend Mari is an option...).
It is
so Faiz
to have Delta be the guy who maybe least wants to be a Kamen Rider of anyone I've ever seen on a Kamen Rider show.
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Originally Posted by
Kurona
Takumi being an Orphnoch is -definitely- one of the show's best twists, and I'm so happy it wasn't spoiled for you; these days it's just one of those spoilers that gets thrown out there as basic knowledge among fans even by official media, just like how Blade i̸̛̺̪̞̞̩̗̙̩̝͇̗͖̰̱͖͍͘ͅn̶̯̣̰̠̳̠̩͕̗͇͞F̵̵̢͙͈̖̱͖̼o̵̧̭̲͙͈̮̰͚̳̗̻͈͡R̡͍̖̲̣̥͙̲͚̣͖̺̪̫͢͠ͅM̶̡̦͉̙̳A̛̳̺̗̗͕̙͈͎̮͉̰͔͖t̶̨̛̳̜̘̦͉̭͓͝͞i̸̡̤̯̞̥͜͟O̢͞͏҉̦̝̪̩͉̤̼̲͓̼̘͕̣̱̺̖ͅņ̸̶̛̭͚̗͍̫̹̺̤͍̺͍͖̣͉̥̫͘ ̵͔̬̤̥͇̣́̕͢W̦̻͉̞̺̩̞̜̪͙̯͓͞I̛̗̖̤͉̦̳̝͙͝t̡҉͍̣̫̘̥̳͔̗̠̼͔̤̭̗̫̼̟̳̕h҉̷̛̭̺͖̻̠Ȩ̨͏̛͇͇͉͎̲̜̼͎̜͖̜ļ̸̛͡͏̲̺̭̪̳͓̱D̷̡̡̺̩̙̫̮̖̹͇̘͓̳͉̟̕̕
So I'm really glad you get to just enjoy this as is because I really, really liked it. I guess it's a little harder to appreciate now but "Kamen Rider has been the monster the whole time" is... not exactly new to the franchise, but it wasn't ever done as directly and as obviously as
this
and especially in such a way that recontextualises it all. It's one of those things about Faiz that I can't deny is great!
It's a very fun twist, but I can't really blame anyone for talking about it like it's not a twist. There's a statute of limitations to Big Twists, and after that time limit is up they become part of the basic description. Like, I imagine it'd be tough for most fans to describe Faiz without mentioning that Takumi's an Orphnoch. I get it.
Still, hey, thanks everybody for letting me discover it on my own! You're all the best!
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Originally Posted by
catwhowalks
I remember near the beginning of the show you wondering why Takumi could use the Faiz belt and wondering if they'd even explain it. Well, they just did. The show's been setting this up the whole time.
I mean, it definitely feels like the show was saying The Faiz Belt Was Made To Work For Orphnochs, but then Kusaka used it? So either, no, that's not how it works, or Kusaka is an Orphnoch, too.
Mysteries abound!
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Androzani84
This is part of what I meant. Back in the Showa Era, instead of being an instantly-generated costume, the Rider suit was what they looked like after a surgery to turn them into a monster. The human appearance was the ‘costume’. Here, they make it a more overt-monster, so it stands out. Like a lot of the old-school gang, Kamen Rider Takumi Inui (which by the way, translates as ‘dog’, if you didn’t know) is a modified human who fights for humanity’s freedom against an evil secret organisation, using their own technology.
I... yeah, I'm curious if that's how it's going to feel to me? Once it gets a little deeper into the story? Because what's here, it doesn't so much feel like This Was Done To Me, as it is What Of Me Do I Want People To See. Those are... those are two different stories with
very different
emotional payloads!
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Originally Posted by
Actar
Oh? Surprised no one talked about one of my absolute favorite parts of the episode: Kaixa's phone ringing while being attached to the belt. That juxtaposition between the mundane and the fantastical. That's exactly what this show is all about.
I laughed at that scene, for sure. Was he keeping his phone locked in the case the whole time. What if he'd actually given all of the Gear to Smart Brain, would he not have a phone anymore?
Quote:
Originally Posted by
DreadBringer
I wonder if Takumi's aware that he's an Orphnoch, all this time, I thought that Takumi never knew that he's an Orphnoch but he got to know via something.
Huh! I wouldn't have considered that. I'm excited to find out what Takumi's backstory is!
Quote:
Originally Posted by
BagJo
After years of people turning their noses up at Faiz, it is a real joy to read so many positive thoughts and feelings about one of my favorite Rider shows. I hope the eventual Kabuto and Kiva threads get this kind of love.
Kamen Rider's a real fun franchise! It's awesome to be able to talk about it with others! Good work, everybody!
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