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Kamen Rider Die watches Kamen Rider 555
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06-22-2020, 11:32 AM
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Kamen Rider Die
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Originally Posted by
DreadBringer
And for some others, the one you talked about having problems with miscommunications and misunderstandings? This irony is the main reason, because this show's main motif are phones, but they are so underutilized that they have all these drama.
Yeah, when one of the big parts of the premise is These People Can't Communicate With Each Other, viewers who are frustrated by characters who don't communicate with each other are...
they aren't going to have a great time with this show!
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Originally Posted by
DreadBringer
But one thing that I'll never ever understand, how did they only know their surname all this time, but didn't catch their full name? I actually would understand more if they don't know their names at all, but they call each other "Osada-san" or "Kikuchi-san", but never knew the "Yuka" or "Keitaro" part.
I can see it? I'm going to assume first names are as common in Japan as they are in America. (I mean, there was the whole story earlier about the two Masatos, right?) Even if Keitaro learned that Osada was Yuka Osada, he might not make the connection. I don't know. There are a lot of people in the world, is what I'm saying. For this reveal to work, a bunch of things had to line up. I liked it!
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Originally Posted by
DreadBringer
Why do you even consider about the words from horrible people like (both Kyoji and Kohei!) Murakami, and especially Minami? Those words are their foundation of them doing their villainy, and obviously you aren't meant to side with them, because even those with right goal but wrong methods aren't one to be sided either (although some people will ignore the methods and only see the end goal, and cementing them as similarly good as the pure heroes - but the end doesn't always justifaiz the means).
But that's what makes them interesting villains? That they've got points of view? I think it's more compelling when you can see a kernal of righteousness in there (protecting your people) that's been warped over time.
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Originally Posted by
DreadBringer
Also you talk about how the world hates and fears Yuka? I don't know if she has that
as an Orphnoch
, but she has been hated since she was human previously, in every environment, by her family and classmates (I can't call them her friends if they bully her), and I don't recall her utilizing her Orphnoch form except against those she deems as bad (and they're killed so she's still unknown) so I don't know about fear.
A billion cops tried to capture her over the last two episodes, and she's had multiple stories about people being terrified of Orphnochs. She's got problems beyond that, sure, but the show has definitely established that normal folks would be scared of Orphnochs.
(Also, "hated and feared" is an X-Men reference, since there's a whole bunch of X-Men similarities late in the show. Murakami is basically Magneto.)
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DreadBringer
Well you did at episode 15 (and I defended her too, by making it confused if it's truly bad or just the non-tolerant audience), but not anymore, but this also proved your sentence wrong that because this is art, opinions can't be changed.
I'm pretty sure I ended up liking that episode through writing about it. Thought I didn't after watching it, but after a few paragraphs I realized I really liked it.
When I talk about people's opinions about art not changing, I don't mean that people can't appreciate stuff they wrote off, or hate stuff they once loved. It's more that I don't think you can get others to change their minds about stuff. People's tastes evolve all the time! But I don't think someone's tastes can be changed by someone else. To wit:
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Originally Posted by
DreadBringer
I wonder what will you say to other people regarding Faiz outside this thread because this is perfect beautiful show, scold and chastise them? Cementing them as having sh*t taste?
Oh my god,
never
. I had a reaction to this show. Someone else is going to have a completely different reaction to this show, and I'd never want to take that away from them. If anything, I'd love to hear why it didn't work for them.
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Originally Posted by
DreadBringer
Superpower? (I'm onboard with you on this but...) This episode just yet again, portrays it as weakness, when Mari made fun of him for having that kind of wish/goal. There's also multiple times that goal is talked down upon by her, Takumi, or iirc Kusaka (lol this one is obvious) in the past. Also as always, obviously real life people also can see that trait as weakness in someone, like for this series, probably point up to the Mari/Sawada moment which gets her killed.
I mean, Keitaro gets teased for having an unrealistic goal, but I don't think the
show
portrays it as a weakness. Just because some characters don't appreciate his dream, it doesn't mean the show is condemning it. Mari's been shown to be someone who's
fiercely loyal
to her friends and family, while not really been too high-minded about saving others. There have been a few stories about Keitaro trying to help strangers that Mari had zero interest in. Of course she'd tease Keitaro about it!
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Originally Posted by
Androzani84
I think you’re going to love Kiva (when you get to it, of course)
Quote:
Originally Posted by
BagJo
I really hope so, Faiz and Kiva are two of the best Rider shows that people always spurn. Seeing how Die has connected with Faiz, I've got high hopes for Kiva.
Yeah, I'm looking forward to it! (I'm looking forward to
everything
.)
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