[Kamen Rider Die]

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Originally Posted by Zatyme

I don't think he's ashamed of being an Orphnoch (what with him objecting taking offense that they need to be made "human" again to be accepted) and more afraid of that darkness in him that he might associate with his Orphnoch side what with both coming to light at the same time in the narrative and that's what he's trying to repress and deny due to it running counter to his true nature. That no matter what he does or says that dark side of him is the correct choice and the sole truth of living as an Orphnoch, that he has to give up his compassion in order to survive. The fact that all of his fears are being played on by this betrayal by Humanity as a whole is tearing him apart and without knowing the truth of Yuka's story in this episode that the guy she likes now is Keitaro the only guy nicer than him.

Oh, okay, sure! Got it!

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Originally Posted by FreshToku

I like your interpretation on the last scene between Yuka and Kageyama and will choose to see it only that way now, because if she did just finish Yuka off, it unneccesarily muddies the whole thing about humans being the ones hunting Orphnochs.

Happy to help!

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Originally Posted by DreadBringer

Yuji's probably being irrational here, and probably just drives home that he's dysfunctional inside. The point is any species have good and bad sides of them.

Yuuji's having a lot of his core ideals tested, and he's maybe not handling it super great?

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Originally Posted by DreadBringer

What I read in other infos, are that Kageyama killed Yuka. But with the scene actually played out probably it's made more ambiguous. Like others said, Kageyama just watching Yuka died is meant to serve a point where humans (Minami) can be the cruel one. But as the episode played out, it also emphasized the part where Yuka can't henshin (yeah she's not a Rider but that's what she said!), which would serve a point where Yuka cannot defend himself by becoming an Orphnoch from Kageyama's attacks and forced to take it on human form, easier to die. Also the part where Keitaro and Yuka are still sending emails (the one time where phones are used for "unecessary" things) as if it's status quo... they're wasting cellphone credits! (well probably not for Yuka as she's dying). Either way, the vengeance will be coming to the one actually deserved it more next.

Yeah, I like that they left it ambiguous. We get to put our own ideas into the series, and that's always nice.

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Originally Posted by DreadBringer

Now into them as couple now? Keitaro and Yuka are star-crossed lovers (also Yuji want to drive them apart this time).

Yeah, I've vacillated a lot, but I think I'm okay with them dating for a bit, see where it goes. Yuka was still figuring herself out, and that means trying new experiences. It could've been fun for a little while.

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Originally Posted by Sh Ranger

I'm so glad to hear that Yuka is one of your favorite characters! She's one of mine as well. So as you'd expect I'm just as sad as you are about her death. Unlike Mari, she doesn't even have a corpse anymore.

She didn't want to be a burden to anyone, even in death!

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Originally Posted by Sh Ranger

Takumi looks up to Kiba as someone he should strive to be as a hero fighting for the good in both species which is why he's worried about what's happening to him.

I loved how mad Takumi got when Yuuji was all Maybe Saving Humans Is Lame. He was not having that conversation with Yuuji in Episode 44 of a 50-episode series!

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Originally Posted by Sh Ranger

Wow, your take on what happened between Yuka and Saeko is totally different to mine! I doubt Saeko would be so reckless to assume her Orphenoch form just to hide her tears. I'm sure such an act of emotional suppression would make Troy Burrows proud but I'm pretty sure she just killed Yuka. The secret science society reduced her to human and killing humans is part of the job. She may have cared about Yuka's potential and saw herself as a mentor who could nurture it but I doubt she actually cared about Yuka as a person or she would have considered her feelings. Yuka never wanted to hurt anybody, she had a modest desire of living a happy life with the man she fell in love with and Saeko took that away from her.

Fair enough! No such thing as a wrong opinion!

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Originally Posted by Fish Sandwich

I'd really like to support Die's reading of how Yuka... er, died, but the way that sequence emphasizes Kageyama gradually drawing closer and closer, culminating in that almost jump scare style cut where she's suddenly in her Orphenoch form, her face filling most of the frame, definitely gives me the distinct impression she wasn't only watching.

I don't think these two interpretations are all that mutually exclusive though? It's entirely possible whatever final wound Kageyama would've given Yuka, she could've seen it as more of an act of mercy than anything. Her dialogue is angry in tone, but the words themselves speak to somebody who's profoundly disappointed Yuka chose to play out her human life to its inevitable miserable conclusion rather than embracing what she could've been as a top-of-the-food-chain monster who doesn't take anyone's s***. It's hard to say. Kageyama's mind is scary and not something I really want to be all that deep in!

It is definitely a stretch! Thanks for the feedback and impressions!