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DreadBringer
OK still, what do you think about what I said about Tendou here?
I'm not sure I completely follow, but I think Tendou's a pretty complicated protagonist at this point. I'm not sure I'd call him an asshole? He's...
prickly
. The things that usually define an asshole protagonist (let's just go ahead and say Kyosuke From Hibiki), Tendou doesn't do that stuff? He doesn't lie, or belittle, or make excuses, or rant, or push people away, or or or. He's a guy that comes off as egocentric, maybe, but his interpersonal problems are that he's too honest, too blunt, too quick to judge. I'm not sure I'd put him in the same bucket as your Kyosukes or Kusaka.
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DreadBringer
Not a bug guy? Blasphemy! It's what shapes Kamen Rider, no matter where you personally begin! It's a source of backlash the time a Kamen Rider is made not to sport a bug motif! Jokes aside, I think it's not a big deal for Kamen Riders to be made outside bug theme, unlike for some people there. IIRC, no such thing as an inherent bug theme for Kamen Rider philosophy, it was only something like, "if there's no religion there's Kamen Rider", or "human lives are more important than justice", etc.
Yeah, man, I came in through Ex-Aid: this bug stuff is not why I fell in love with Kamen Rider! I'm okay with it, to a degree, but it's not my favorite motif for these shows.
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DreadBringer
Minor? Hiyori's the main heroine for this series. And people being a sucker for melodrama is a common concurence, and no offense, but unfortunately, that contributes to making the world being a harder place to live. Those who love drama is a serious issue in society; because those kind of people try to stir up drama even when drama doesn’t exist, creating a life that others envy even when they must drown everyone in drama, people thriving off car accidents, disasters, or death, gossiping and make up lies to provide story fodders, causing fights and disruptions in order to fulfill the need for more drama, etc. That aside, Hiyori's likely source of depression comes from a clear-cut source, but it's not brought about here. Probably coming from there, her demeanor is rude and quite misanthropic, with her questioning to others why she should be the one to do the job like cooking.
Hoo boy, a lot to unpack there.
I called Hiyori "minor" because that's where she's at in Episode 2? I'm not sure where everyone goes, but I feel okay suggesting that a teenage girl who's in just a few non-action scenes is a more minor participant than Kagami. She's fun to talk about, but she isn't exactly propelling the plot in this one.
To her melodrama... it's a TV show? I think it's okay to enjoy conflict (physical and emotional) without seeing it reflected in the real world. If anything, there's a catharsis to experiencing Hiyori's troubles because it's
not
real. It's a way of connecting with those emotions in a safe, controlled way.
Finally, I don't think she's being mean to anyone here? The dish that she's making in the back is for her own use, or to share with friends. It's not on the menu but Tendou insists she serve it to him. If anything, he's being mean? Pushy, at the very least. (Which I'm okay with because he's clearly trying to get her to acknowledge her talent, so it's a well-meaning pushiness.)
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Sunred
Kagami's rejection is like seeing Peter Parker telling the radioactive spider to make him Spider-Man and reaching out his hand, only to have the spider ignore him and crawl away to bite Flash Thompson instead.
I'd go Ultra Magnus Trying To Operate The Matrix Of Leadership, but I can't be mad at a Spider-Man reference!
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Sh Ranger
A lot of my favorite Riders are chaotic good wanted men like Sento, Ryuuga and Inui Takumi, being pursued by their respective morally ambiguous organizations.
There's a thing Kamen Rider tends to put forward as a message, where you should respect organizations, but always be skeptical of them. It's like the difference between deference and blind obedience. There're frequently these structure that exist that are, like, 80% useful, and it takes a hero to get them to 100%.
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