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Kamen Rider Die watches Kamen Rider Den-O
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03-23-2021, 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by
Kamen Rider Die
Sure, the Imagin are maybe a little overprotective of Hana here (plus I think they, rightly, are incredibly irritated by Ozaki), but we as the audience
know
that the Imagin aren't even a little off-base in their judgment of him. They aren't being mean to him because he's not the Most anything, other than Most Slimy. He's a creep, and they're treating him like a creep.
But, yeah, Hana's more than capable of standing up for herself, which was a nice part of that scene.
I have a thought of the Imagins being mean to him for him being not the most anything, because that's the words from Kintaros; "boring, plain, and trivial". The "beyond your reach" part can also count, as the phrase is usually uttered when someone unremarkable speaks to someone that is like, excels on anything positive and is respected or something. I know Ozaki refers to Hana as "Hana-chan" that Imagins assume him getting too familiar, though I feel that Imagins don't really look at him interacting with her before, and others such as Airi refering to her as Hana-chan too (they too recently met series-wise, not old friend or something), and I feel the Imagins can do this to anyone unremarkable based on their words. And my point of Hana wasn't her standing up for herself (what she did was smacking Imagins like usual), but defending Ozaki, some empowering for average people that aren't stand out, those should be treated equally in society.
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Kamen Rider Die
KAMEN RIDER DEN-O EPISODE 28 - “TOO LUCKY, TOO EXCITED, TOO STRANGE”
First of all, I want to praise the absolute
brass balls
on Kobayashi for debuting the brand-new Den-O form two episodes
after
the movie. The only debut Den-O form in that film was Sword Form Junior! And then the big Power Of Teamwork form shows up a fortnight later! On TV!
For free!
The
stones
of her to do that… amazing. It’s so counterintuitive that my head is still spinning. Unbelievable and surprising.
Actually, one episode after the movie. You watched the movie before episode 27 which means skipping ep. 27. The movie is set between 27 and 28, means 27.5, so one episode after the movie. And I've played the video games like Climax Heroes, so I know about this, but Den-O also likely started the trend of movie exclusive form (clue: Sieg).
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Kamen Rider Die
I don’t know that the form would’ve been as cool outside this epilogue, though. I’m sure she could’ve cooked up some Voltron-style reason for the time-displaced Imagin to all combine in order to defeat Gaoh. It would’ve been fine, maybe even fun. But putting that suit here, and grounding it in how much Momo cares about the other Imagin? That’s some generous and fulfilling storytelling.
Well yeah, Gaoh can be beatable only by Sword Form, albeit with a help of other Den-O base forms (, a big enough threat for main antagonist role, but probably not the highest in threatening scale of him only being a counterpart to Sword Form. If you view Momo as caring about other Imagin, I guess he'd be a tsundere about this huh? Him claiming that the Imagins disappearing would be good for Ryotaro (he cares openly about Ryotaro), and that it'd create more space within the DenLiner.
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Kamen Rider Die
This whole episode is pretty much just an epilogue to the film, addressing some bits of unfinished business. The remaining jewel thief and Imagin, the ones who eluded Yuuto last episode, are out causing some low-level mayhem. They’re a minor distraction in this story, to the degree that the action kicks off when Ryotaro remembers that he never went back to defeat the final Imagin because of the movie. (It’s incredibly fitting that Yuuto took the time after Gaoh was defeated to make Ryotaro go clean up Yuuto’s mess. Something something limited amount of Zeronos cards NOPE he just wanted to make Ryotaro do it.) There’s only comedic threat to these two adversaries; the thief is a total dope, and the Imagin never does much more than beat up some karate guys in a forest. They exist to get defeated, and they eventually do. They aren’t the obstacle, though.
The obstacle is that, in his brief bout of Narratively Convenient Amnesia, Ryotaro has severed his link with every Imagin except Momo. All of the various hangers-on are disappearing, and there’s nothing to be done to save them. Most of the episode is suffused with grief, as Ryotaro and Hana are powerless to save their friends.
One of the jewel thief are the starter villain of the movie, and I mean of course the next episodes would address the unfinished business if there's still 22 episodes left of this series! And you talk about Ryotaro cleaning up Yuuto's mess here, ironically, I forgot to talk about this before, but the version of Yuuto in the movie is far nicer and approachable than the one in the main series for you talking about him leaving a mess, he's just a bit more on the serious side, but he didn't act hostile to the others. Ryotaro's amnesia here is really a coninuation of the movie, and those who don't follow the movie can be confused here. And why are you ok with Ryotaro and Hana's powerlessness here of saving their friends? Sometimes you or people just criticize regardless of the stakes.
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Originally Posted by
Kamen Rider Die
Momo, though…
Ryotaro obviously wouldn't feel right about his three teammates disappearing, I mean he obliges to save Kintaros by letting him contract with Ryotaro before, Ryotaro is the one who would like having more of the "pests" in the Imagin if it helps them. And Momo's stuff is more affecting and understated yeah, but I wouldn't want for Ryotaro to be turned like him just for the sake of the story to work with the theme. Momo's fiery demeanor for him to be vulnerable as a joke though and the pain, that's the thing Momo
surely inherited
from Ryotaro though, his inhuman bad luck, it transfers over to Momo. And yeah, the Imagins coming back with a handwave, that's Kobayashi doing show not tell.... I know you talk about it may be not working for others, but of course we know about how the Imagins won't be gone for good for middle of the series, but what matters is the process of them coming back, that it shouldn't violate the pre-established rule of the series. Not giving criticism of this part, but about the views of parts like this in general (I mean I can't give thoughts of this here because the Imagin mechanics aren't revealed yet).
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Kamen Rider Die
THE BAGGAGE CAR
-Climax Form! I think it’s very fun, and ALL HAIL TAKAIWA. The suit itself is this weird mishmash of heads, with maybe a
little
too much animation going on, but that dude kills in his performance. Seeing him switch from one Imagin to another
inside of a shot
, it’s art. He is an artist, and Climax Form is probably his masterpiece.
-If the Rider Kick that Den-O does in Climax Form isn’t called Climax Jump, I might need to quit watching these shows. They even played the theme song and everything! It’s too perfect!
Well, the Rider Kick in Climax Form ain't the best for me visually (and I would have an idea for it to be more pleasing, at least in my eyes). But the fun of Climax Form would be about, well, all the 4 Imagins being inside Ryotaro, and the power struggle to decide who controls the body or anything. It's when multiple individuals in 1 body are NOT fused, and it gives all the confusions you expect for multiple individuals in 1 body! And I look forward for it not only for the comedic effect, but about the real drawback of this kind of powerup.
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Originally Posted by
Kamen Rider Die
-The plotting in this one is a little imprecise, but the only thing I went WAIT WHAT HOW at was when Deneb shows up at Milk Dipper to tell Yuuto about the disappearing Imagin. Who told
Deneb?
This isn’t some problem that the DenLiner crew needed anyone else’s help with. No one was expecting
Yuuto
to pitch in. How did Deneb hear about it? My only guess is a headcanon that Deneb and Naomi text constantly, gossiping about everything on the show.
Well, apart from your headcannon, the show obviously can't show everything in screen, there are many offscreen events happening. Deneb is also someone who does visit DenLiner if he wants to, and he can act independently outside of Yuuto, and get scolded for it due to Yuuto's cold, pragmatic approach.
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