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She looks great (that leather outfit!), but that comment did not specify characters! "Everyone Ura possesses looks stupid hot" means that Tsukasa here is also ridiculously sexy, and I want that on the record. He may be a creepy turtle, but he manages to glam up everything he touches.

My point was actually about how Natsumi looks hot af including outsde that leather outfit that fanbase nicknames her Natsumelon.

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KAMEN RIDER DIE: I'd give it a slight edge over the Den-O/Kiva flick, but not by much. (Actually, I think THIS movie has more Kiva stuff than that one, since the Arms Monsters get an extended, funny cameo.) Decade is, y'know, around for a couple scenes, but he has basically no bearing on the plot. He doesn’t inform or contribute. He basically shows up for two-thirds of the final fight, and then leaves while the Den-Liner crew are fighting for their lives. Both Decade and Diend come off as callous to the point of villainous. How did Tsukasa's bailing and Kaitou's shit-stirring work for you?

ENCHILADA645: Eh I'd say less callous, and more... they're sorta just there in regards to things. Or at least like, Tsukasa is mostly apathetic to the whole situation. And I don't really blame him given his journey to the next world got interrupted by Sieg and he got possessed for like the fifth time or so. So he just wants to deal with Den-O for good, even if that does just mean making a small cameo here.
Daiki is very... he's there? And he has this weird purple effect for his dimensional walls that we never see before or after this. I'm honestly not sure what his purpose was here or what he was trying to do. Was he trying to spite Momo for him not becoming a train? Us for forgetting about him near entirely in the last recap? Or was his whole "special service" because he knew his clones would get body jacked? I'm honestly not sure.

Lol true, this is practically a Den-O movie, Tsukasa is only an extra muscle. Not even a scene of him probably trading egos with Sieg (who you treat as Tendou-like, and I agree) or such? Wasted chance! Sieg's probably the Imagin most compartible with Tsukasa. And true too Diend is more useful as Tsukasa only fought as regular Decade while Diend fought as himself. Oh wait, that's more like saying that Diend's power is superior to Decade's (it contrasts, but this movie kinda portrays it as unfair).

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KAMEN RIDER DIE: And, man, speaking of shoehorning in characters: WHY WAS RYOTARO IN THIS! The last non-Decade Den-O project was about saying goodbye to Ryotaro's actor, and introducing a new Den-O to carry the narrative weight. So, hey, here's Kotaro as Den-O, teaming up with Hana and the Den-Liner crew... including a youthened Ryotaro, who is the original Ryotaro that the series literally just said goodbye to, and he's still getting possessed by the Imagin so Sword Form can save the day.
WHY.
WHY.
WHY.
Why the last movie? Why Kotaro? WHY.

ENCHILADA645: Yeah this movie is very odd in that regard. You've got the big goodbye for Ryotaro, and you've also got them setting Momotaros as a solo deal in the episodes that advertise this movie. But then you've also got this movie setting up like the new status quo going forward for a bit here

To ask, why don't you just treat Ryotaro's appearence just like the appearence of Kohana, Owner, Naomi, etc. as a pack of Den-O's cast to appear when the franchise revisits past stuff? I don't think that any of them have emotional stake too like Ryotaro? They're there for some of their typical comedic hijinks (though Owner gets some prominence here later). Though I agree that Ryotaro being a kid didn't make sense here (or just that they don't bother to explain why) unlike movies such as Den-O I'm Born.

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ENCHILADA645: Having seen this movie once before, I picked up on what was going on after Yuuto got a lot of focus and Deneb possessed him. So like, the twist clearly had no effect on me. And I'll be real I completely forgot about this being the main emotional plot of the movie because the most I remembered of the movie is like, the last 20 or so minutes.
That being said, while his like core motivations didn't really do much for me in the beginning, I kind of warmed up to him once he got involved with the Den-Liner crew and had those moments in the past with the archer girl. It was enough for me to have like a big stupid smile on my face in the ending where we see regular Yuuto and Deneb paling around.

KAMEN RIDER DIE: And that's what was so weird for me: I love Yuuto and Deneb. LOVE. Absolutely my favorite relationship on Den-O, and one of my all-time favorite pairings across the entire Kamen Rider franchise. I should be super in the bag for the Secret Origin of Yuuto and Deneb. But, wow, I was really not.
Pretty much as soon as the grandmother calls him Yuu-chan, I'm like Oh It's The Kid Version Of Yuuto. After that point, I kept looking for some version of Yuuto's pride or snottiness or temper or something in Yuu. I never really found it? He's just some random kid, and his dilemma is really dull to me (I sort of expect more nuance from Den-O at this point than We Can't Lose Ourselves In The Past.) He's so thinly sketched, and there's none of Yuuto's nostalgia for me to fill in the blanks. I don't know. He didn't click with me at all, and I was trying.
But, yeah, that ending with Yuuto and Deneb wrestling in the park is fantastic.
Why they didn't just turn this series over to those two, I will never understand.

Super? Lol... Deneb's origin of his partnership with Yuuto was related to... Sakurai. Deneb formed a contract with Sakurai to rebel against Kai, and Sakurai's wish was to have Deneb aid past Yuuto. But apparently the Yuu origin is considered as canon for the wiki page, but I don't know if crossovers (this one is, even with the minimal presence of Decade's cast) are canon. Though for Yuuto's pride or snottiness, I don't know if his kid story here explains the origins of Yuuto's bad trait there, as he's shown miserable in his youth here, thus later it may turn him into a prideful and snotty man. I guess the mistake is the "game-changing shock" at the end? It kinda forces the plot to keep away anything resembling the original Yuuto in the kid. The park ending is fantastic yeah, with Yuuto turning Deneb's clingliness him into a suplex move.

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KAMEN RIDER DIE: Was it Climax Form But With Wings?
Or was it Team Den-O's absolutely brilliant plan to trick an immortal oni?

Yes, that's "Super/Cho Climax Form". So it actually appeared here, I already know the form long ago while playing Climax Heroes. Momo was needlessly angry at Sieg joining, when it's actually an advantage that you can fly now, smh! Though still, albeit I already know this, the finisher's still something that doesn't impress me, and that can happen with extra movie forms but giving it more bland attacks. The wing had an absolutely beautiful design though, but not even like, for starters, the Climax Form's finisher of moving the Den-O's DenKamens in its body parts into the part of the body that will attack.

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ENCHILADA645: Oh it was absolutely Team Den-O's incredible plan to trick an immortal oni. The minute that scene popped up I started getting deja vu and was grinning like crazy.

KAMEN RIDER DIE: It is, for sure, the best part of this movie. I found a lot of this film sort of interminably dull (all of the stuff with Yuu and Toki was creepy and unaffecting), but when the entire very large team basically does a Let's Put On A Show to trick an immortal oni into thinking he's traveled through time, I was ecstatic. It's the sort of bonkers plot development that Den-O does maybe better than any other Kamen Rider series, and it alone is worth sitting through poorly-motivated guest stars and movie-only actors who just did not make a single positive impression on me.

I agree that, the part of tricking both Onis with mundane stuff is golden. Though probably I just like the implementation of mundane stuff in superpowered world. The villains aren't only defeated by fighting, but they (along with Kotaro being saved) are defeated partly by mundane stuff too, which is utilizing art and craft which can be done by any creative human (and Ryutaros is an established artist). I only wonder how much time it took to complete the art and crafts needed to fool them, it can take much longer set up than fighting, or superpower's still involved in this....

Though I gotta defend a bit of the other scenes, personally I find Toki likable, probably due to her keeping gentle and lighthearted demeanor despite being in hardened situation. Also if you'd use creepy as criticism here, I don't know.. there's a hug scene, but I'd only view that as psychologically helping others, lending a shoulder to other's crying, though hope the solution won't be turning it into typical prototypical melodrama, as the 'creepy' description can be used by some people in another kid-adult interaction like Amane to Hajime in Blade (that one's full of heated quarrel, not to those 2 but others around them), but that one's given tolerance in the discussions.

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ENCHILADA645: Yeah they aren't much there at all are they? I think the most I remembered them for were their weird Rider-Oni looking suits. So it felt weird when they were having this big emotional moment in the end after reuniting for like 3 minutes.

KAMEN RIDER DIE: The suits were nice to look at, but their plan/scheme/whatever is... man, I thought Gaoh was a villain with a simplistic plan of attack and a vague endgame, but these two make Gaoh look like Evolt from Build. What do they even want, other than to be evil? Is that it?

And yeah, at least they should focus on the villain's cruelty more other than how they're on the opposing side, like the state of the conquered areas or what'd they do there, and why they need to be put down (probably too late for Kuchihiko mourning Mimihiko), other than, one thing that sticks out in that is where both of them had no qualms trying to hurt Yuu. For their costume, I also thought that Mimihiko's costume Shilubara resemble Blade's helmet at some points. But Kai also had a vague endgame, I thought not explaining everything can be a better way for you? A̶n̶d̶ ̶m̶a̶n̶y̶ ̶s̶e̶e̶ ̶K̶a̶i̶ ̶l̶i̶k̶e̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶ ̶s̶e̶e̶ ̶M̶i̶m̶i̶h̶i̶k̶o̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶K̶u̶c̶h̶i̶h̶i̶k̶o̶ ̶h̶e̶r̶e̶.̶