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Kamen Rider Die watches Kamen Rider Zi-O
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04-11-2022, 05:10 PM
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Pretty much! A lot of Sougo's arc so far is him not only gaining the power of Oma Zi-O, but also becoming more cognizant of how serious the temptation of power is. Like I was talking about above, this story is Sougo having to accept that he has the capacity for evil in a broader sense than just Gotta Be On Best Behavior On Oma Day. People can make bad decisions constantly, for any reason, and it's important to understand that. Sougo's power as Zi-O II draws from both Zi-O and Oma Zi-O - two Zi-O's, you might say - and that's a tricky line to walk.
Huh? You think Ohma Zi-O is something smaller? Zi-O II is
only
his super form, not the end of his power. This talk here seems to paint Zi-O II as something superior to even Ohma Zi-O to describe it as combination of it and Zi-O. Otherwise, how about my other arguments for "capacity for evil" that it can be used for unfair judgment for characters or misused?
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KAMEN RIDER ZI-O EPISODE 23 - ?IT?S KIKAI! 2121?
I liked the stuff with Kikai, the same as probably everyone else. They went for a terrifically goofy late-Showa vibe to everything (Rento?s all-denim outfit!
With bell bottoms!
) and it was the right move. Rento himself is a stalwart defender of humanity and a friend to children, with a charming lack of guile. And as much fun as it was to see Rento walk stiffly and smile slightly unnervingly, it was equally entertaining to watch Kamen Rider Kikai full-on punch an old lady
in the face
. I mean, it was a killer robot old lady, but it still looked pretty funny. Really good time hanging out in 2121.
Rento's world is something that ain't pretty, even without Ohma Zi-O's rule. While it was previously only an implication for a world where Geiz Revive wins, in Kikai's world, while outwardly it looks peaceful, humanity is secluded to a small space and the reality it consisted of Humanoise attack. They ask if their target is a machine or a human, but they'd already know to attack and kill. The world is instead taken over by Humanoise, but the positive side of that world is that, Kikai can stand up against the rule, unlike the invincible Ohma Zi-O. For him punching an old lady, well, the hammer of justice is unisex so it's good to have it being done
.
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The specific struggle between Geiz?z belief in Sougo and Tsukuyomi?s pragmatism/impatience feels less an outgrowth of recent events than some writerly shift towards Internal Conflict, and I?d need a lot more from Tsukuyomi than I?ve gotten to buy into it. For someone who traveled back in time specifically to
avert
a time execution, she?s uncharacteristically all-in on killing Sougo immediately. There?s for sure a story to tell about Tsukuyomi reconsidering her beliefs, but we haven?t been given the incremental beats of the story that Geiz got for his arc. I?m okay with this story as some bump in the road for the team dynamic, but it?s not exactly hitting the Geiz/Sougo heights of Episode 16.
The answer would be something outside of the series, with Shirakura's explanations making little sense creating plot inconsistencies. Different writers can really create something like this ._. Though like I said before, Zi-O II is a such game changer to turn 2 characters into OOc-phase in Tsukuyomi
and
White Woz who
cracks
and loses his composure. It could be about how Zi-O II shows more resemblance to Ohma Zi-O, which'd mean Sougo now has a real chance to become Ohma Zi-O, as the basis of the belief before was, as you said putting him on pedestal that it's not believable Sougo would become Ohma Zi-O due to his kindness and is always doing the right thing, but now Zi-O II veers closer into Ohma Zi-O.
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The comedy parts, though!
Those were great!
Coming back to Sougo?s established Terrible Math Skills as the bridge to get him dozing off and seeing the future was great, but Geiz?z Helicopter Time Dad stuff was even better. He?s so mad when he thinks Sougo is cheating on a test! He?s so mad when Sougo isn?t studying hard enough! It?s adorable!
Other than the comedy parts, it's also something bigger than that to further show how horrific Sougo is now, while the Humanoise attacks were Sougo's dream, it's a potentially prophetic one, in Kamen Rider Kikai reprogrammed as a Humanoise in the body of a Kamen Rider. His dream being prophetic is actually a smart one for Geiz to then try getting him to sleep instead to gain more information. There's also something regarding how Another Kikai is different, it's a parasite and none of the Time Jackers created it. Sougo also later used the vision to help his enemy Heure to run, but that also shows further of Swartz's cruelty, he'd use him to test Another Kikai's power.
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