[Kamen Rider Die]

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Originally Posted by DreadBringer

The main thing about the series now, isn't Horobi, is Zero-One making the lead Rider fall from grace, something that is quite unique among KR franchise and many'd appreciate that too, despite that it'd even further push away the larger conversation.

I always enjoyed how Aruto's heroism was bound up in the dream of a better future for Humagears. Now he's mad at Horobi for murdering Izu. We have an Evil Aruto (for the aesthetic value of Evil, anyway), but I'm not sure how Aruto wanting to murder Horobi is discussing the same things as Horobi's desire to destroy humanity, or inverting Aruto's previous belief of societal protections for Humagears. It's hatred, sure, but not really bigotry or intolerance.

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Originally Posted by TF RyuShin

I need to disagree a bit with Die on how he viewed most characters suddenly became idiotic in this episode, especially Horobi and Izu. I don't think Horobi and Izu's actions in this instance was idiotic or boring. For Izu, it was easy to argue because she basically had just seen Aruto died again with her own eyes. Of course she wouldn't want to worry and bring Aruto to this mess which could claim the single important person in Izu's life. I hugely criticized the interaction between characters outside their faction a lot. Aruto and Izu, though? They were the two characters with the strongest bond in the series that I would buy Izu didn't consider her own safety and life if it was for Aruto's sake.

Sure! Aruto's grief over Izu;s death is, in isolation, enormously affecting and completely the sort of thing that would make Aruto lose his moral compass. It's just... I wish it hadn't started by fridging Izu. I wish the whole scene where Horobi kills Izu didn't feel so much like a plot machination, a sacrifice built specifically to make Aruto murderously unhinged. Like I mentioned in the episode post, there are elements I like metaphorically, and Aruto's turn is one of them. I just don't like how the show chose to get there.

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Originally Posted by TheRaizin

This episode soured my views on Humagears particularly because they just chose to side with Horobi, the robo-terrorist, immediately just because he said 'human bad'. Aruto is right there in being the sole guardian of the Humagears' innocence but they join up with the one that furthers anyone's claim that Humagears are dangerous at the drop of a hat. Really super strange!

I thought this was really funny, actually. Horobi puts out a Humagear-wide call for terrorism buddies, and he barely gets enough participants to face Hiden Intelligence's softball team. (Go Hiden Figures!) Sounds like Aruto's support of Humagears is paying off!