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Originally Posted by Enchilada645

I'll be completely honest... I never really viewed King's speech as like, killing them? Maybe it was a dub thing? Cause going back and watching the dub and sub on certain parts uh... the dub I've noticed takes way more liberties than I expected.

Given what company dubbed this, that doesn't surprise me.

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But anyway the way King talks is like "I've tried countless times to snuff you all out and really you all just keep coming back" and it's very much supposed to be taken as more metaphorical than literal? Like he's not literally killing the people he's showing, it's just showing that the shows are connected throughout the eras and showing the wider scope of it all as King laments how he can't seem to get rid of the Makai Order.

So yeah, I'll be real when I say I really think you just took it the complete wrong way somehow.

Here's how the dub translates his speech:

"So predictable. Mankind never changes. Struggling, rejecting annihilation, no matter the era. Again and again I crush you under foot, yet you scuttle back with the tenacity of roaches."

All while we're shown images of Crimson Moon and Carved Seal of Flames. It really is the "crush you under foot" part that makes me think the implication is that he fought the previous Garo and won.

The only other way I can think to take it is that King is somehow the one behind the plots of the previous two anime? Which is its own sort of asspull. Not even like arc welding would be all that hard either, given that the previous two plots very heavily featured the moon in them.

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As for Luke... well I'll be honest. I'm fine with him not getting the deciding blow on Knight. Like, I feel like that would've gone completely against what he's being built up as? The dude's whole thing really has been needing to let go of pointless revenge, find out what he needs to protect, and gain the strength to protect all throughout the series. Him killing Knight, while potentially satisfying, wouldn't really work with how he went.

I honestly thought it was cool and a bit sad how, he's on his last legs but you can tell he's satisfied. He's not angry, he's not in despair, he knows what it means to protect, to be a knight now, and he almost pity's the fact that Knight can't understand that. Even Knight doesn't really properly get a retort in, he just vanishes on Luke. He doesn't even try to kill Luke in response either, and in a way, Luke wins in that moment.

That's all well and good, but on the other hand, Luke and Knight are the most tied together in terms of both backstory and character arc. Knight is Luke's' father. Knight is the one who killed Luke's' mother. And Knight is the one who was training Luke to be the Silver Knight before things went to Hell.

Even if this didn't end with Luke killing Knight off, having Luke not only lose the fight with Knight barely having a scratch on him, but making it so that the final battle is instead Knight vs Sword, two characters who barely have anything to do with one another, it makes it feel like the entire arc had no end goal in mind and makes the entire event ring hollow.

There is nowhere near the emotional investment that Sword vs Knight has compared to Luke vs Knight, and I would've respected the story way more had Luke and Knight been the final battle instead, or at the very least have Luke be able to do enough to both physically and morally win rather than the equivalent of him preaching while getting stabbed repeatedly.