[DreadBringer]

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Originally Posted by Mesnick

Sarah's and Keiwa's parents obviously didn`t die before their children were born Plus, even if we imagine that there is already the necessary supply of taken happiness to fulfill the desire of a particular winner, like a case with money for participants in a reality show, then during the game itself there is a collection for the next . Plus, we don't know if all wishes have the same price. That is, unlike Sh Ranger, I don't think that Keiwa's desire threatens to overpopulate. I am more inclined to believe that millions of people will be resurrected while millions of others will die. Given the huge sample, some of the resurrected and remaining will obviously be happy, but for the majority it will be a disaster.

Yeah, I'm talking about the previous supplies as wishes, though dunno about the prices of the wishes. The Sakurai parents died before the series began thus even if it's not in distant past, they're still the supplies for Keiwa's timeline as a Rider that he has no chance to act against the events in that time of his parents' death. I thought for the current people in their Rider timeline, they can try to save civilians (and Riders) as much as they can so they won't get to be used as supplies if they didn't get reset. For the happiness, afaik it's done by the wiped memories and desires after world recreation, which can be returned by ID Core, should find a way to perform a global scale of that.

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Originally Posted by Matrixbeast

I don't think Kekera has turned. He's Keiwa's supporter through and through.
I think the situation is that just because he's on Keiwa's team doesn't mean he's on Sara's team. So he used Sara as a form of creating suffering to convince Beroba to revive Keiwa.

Why supporting Keiwa means you get free pass to, like, mistreat Sara? He dehumanizes Sara, treating her as a story element for his ideal hero, rather than living being, no different from other supporters (though he can likely get development like them too). Not liking the approach of how being good/bad seems to be merely decided by being on Keiwa's side or not, thus Kekera is automatically a saint because he supports Keiwa (and thus who even just disagree with Keiwa are worst pos).

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Originally Posted by Sh Ranger

Sure, it's possible, but it takes a lot more effort and the risk outweighs the reward. You say the dead Riders have a right to continue living, but unlike civilians like the Sakurais lost in the Jyamar Areas, the Riders made a choice to fight, so they basically forfeit their right when they signed up for a death game and died. If a man pokes a bear and the bear kills him, that is just cause and effect. DGP are wrong for creating the scenario, but the man should still take responsibility for his fatal choice. If anybody deserves a second chance at life (other than Win who was killed against the game rules), surely it should be those poor civilians who had no choice in their deaths, which is also a smaller number than the dead Riders so they won't overpopulate too much.

None says that the civilians aren't considered here in place of the Riders. Would be both obviously for revival that Mitsume can do. I'm refering to the civilians for Mitsume personally reviving them like Sakurai parents that got no second chance after being killed but in this world it can happen. This isn't that complex tbh, actually have Keiwa join in destroying the DGP too, but doesn't mean letting go and accepting the losses by doing so, both stopping the cycle as well as bringing back at least those civilians, as Mitsume has her powers (though ofc dunno how she'd react to the DGP and previous events later). It's still fully unknown

And regarding the Riders, I agree that the personal choice to risk life for what they want should be respected if they want it, but I think it's not limited to DGP participants, like main protagonists officially taking up Kamen Rider mantle also puts themselves in a world of danger, and they still deserve to be helped (and would you say its ok for people in DGP to leave them for dead because they have no right anymore, instead of rescuing them if able?), and there are some who outright died, and come back later like final form debut. Or how irl soldiers who consciously join a deadly occupation deserve to get aid, in or out of battle (like treating the wounds).

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Originally Posted by henshinzero

Who's to bet Kekera is toying with Keiwa's life and having him turn against Ace? I just hope that the fox & tanuki's friendship doesn't get thrown away.

Tycoon deserves to turn against Kekera for manipulating him.

Kekera should be called out for his BS, like previous supporters. Misery builds character approach also seems to be overlooked irl because it's often done by authority figures that educates.