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Kamen Rider Die watches Kamen Rider Revice
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07-11-2023, 08:30 PM
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Fish Sandwich
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First of all, as Tokunation's resident Revice fanatic (by default), I'd like to offer my apologies for not showing up in this thread earlier. A huge chunk of the reason behind that is because I hit the point where I needed an extended break well before you did, Die, as unfortunate as that is to say. Which is old news, I guess, since that much happened during your Zero-One thread. Saber was pretty much me
running on empty
the whole time, which maybe says something about how much I love Saber. I totally wanted to make all sorts of crazy elaborate posts there, maybe even do some kind of recurring shtick, but that was exactly the kind of time-consuming thing that was starting to wear me down after like years straight of being extremely active in your threads while also juggling weekly shows I want to talk about and whatever random project I'd made for myself that particular month. The lesson I took away from the Saber thread was that the most important thing was probably just to
be there
, rather than worrying about how much I had to say. A lesson I would no doubt carry forward with me into your thread for Revice, the finish line for this whole road so many of us have been on together for all this time, and a series probably in desperate need of some typically contrarian opinions from--
--well, uh, not from me, apparently. I was reading along for the first couple episodes worth of posts, but any time I went to try and contribute a thought of my own, I turned into Daiji picking up that Driver in the premiere, and chickened right the heck out. I don't think I've ever mentioned this explicitly, but uh, experiencing The Discourse surrounding Revice while it was airing might have legitimately traumatized me? It started out as this hot new rebound show it seemed tons of fans were propping up as much better than lame ol' Saber, which didn't get to me at all (Saber already had a much larger fanbase than I was expecting), but what did get under my skin was the sudden drastic shift in atmosphere somewhere around the halfway point, where The New Ghost somehow ended up being the series *after* the one
literally made by all the people who made Ghost.
I spent a lot of time during those months struggling with tons of complicated feelings regarding how I thought about Revice, how I approach just like,
media
in general, and how other people do as well. It was almost like this sort of existential crisis, and it's yet another reason I've been a bit scarce around here lately. Like it actually
wounded
me a bit. But you know, if I might mix character metaphors here, maybe I've been tossed off that cliff, been through an emotionally rich journey in a shockingly good Blu-ray spinoff, and am now ready to return to the fold, enlightened by my experiences and no less dedicated to my ideals. Indeed, I can now lay down my body and soul to say...
Revice really deserves a much better home than I think I can give it.
I mean, I barely even cared about this show when it started.
Waaaaay
too distracted by how much I loved Saber to give it more attention than the base level fun I was having each week. Then everyone starts hating it, and you know, I didn't even realize that was obviously the wake up call to do my thing and make arguments in the opposite direction. Instead, I spent a bunch of time having most of the same issues before I eventually started seeing the light. It's a mix of humorous and sad to read Die drawing the conclusion (correctly, as history keeps proving) that people simply need more time to come around to Revice, when I was rethinking all this stuff
while it was still airing
, learning to love the show at the expense of having any fun
talking about it.
The difference is something I still struggle to peg down, compared to all the other shows in similar positions I'm always ready and eager to jump to the defense of. But I think that difference in where I originally stood is significant. It's like some sort of imposter syndrome thing where I want somebody
else
to do the job of loving Revice better than me. (Hence the "by default" up top.) At this point I'm basically running this big orphanage full of neglected toku shows, and I feel like Revice doesn't need Fish Sandwich, so much as it needs someone who is to Revice what I am to Ghost (or Wizard or Saber
or Faiz or Ninninger or--
). Someone who basically specializes in giving Revice specifically nothing but unconditional love and affection. Like, I can't be the person for that job, right? There'll at least be like,
one
person who'll show up to see qualities in Revice that even someone like me is yet to find...
right?
Well, uh, judging by Die specifically calling out the absence of someone to fill that role throughout the thread, apparently not! I'm feeling a little guilty right now, as a matter of fact! It's only in the last week or so I've worked up the courage to catch up on the bulk of the thread, and considering Die was consistently doing his typical evenhanded best to call attention to both the failures and the successes he was seeing on screen, I no doubt missed out on plenty of chances to have much more pleasant discussions about Revice than my worst fears were leading me to believe.
So, I'm way too late to the party, and have already spent way too much time talking about myself, but for whatever it's worth, please allow to me to say:
It is the cruelest of ironies that so many people were unable to embrace the beauty in this messy, contradictory show about learning to embrace the messy, contradictory beauty of people.
Revice wasn't a show I started out caring much about either way, but it's proven itself to me as a series that greatly rewards the thought you're willing to put into it. It's been sitting with me extremely well over time, and for that reason in particular, I have no doubt in my mind that Revice will have its renaissance one day, no matter how long it takes. There's so much more to the stories it told than simply its questionably structured plots, and those stories were rich in thematic substance that can
easily
go toe to toe with the very best Rider has to offer.
For my part, it's not even the episodes I loved right away that make me so convinced of this. A lot of those, you all could probably guess. Episode 18 is maybe the easiest pick? The image of a wounded Ikki literally leaning on Vice for support, you know, those shots speak
volumes
thanks to the strong dramatic context they're put in. It's all the smart ideas the larger narrative was thoughtfully exploring, compressed immaculately into a wordless visual. No series capable of that could possibly be beyond redemption, which is maybe why episodes I didn't much care for initially quickly started to improve in retrospect, once I started properly digging into them.
Episode 28 is definitely the best example to point to here. The whole thing was lost on me at first. Best I could figure, it was just a less successful copy of 18. I didn't know how the Ikki/Vice drama here was saying anything new, and lines like the whole "We're not demons! We're Revice!" bit left me scratching my head trying to comprehend the meaning. It's a favorite in its own right now, and that made it a relief to see it was one Die gelled with immediately. Because now it's all so obvious to me. Like,
duh
, they're not demons because Revice is a dude
and
his inner demon, acknowledging each other as parts of the much stronger single complete whole person they become through their mutual acceptance. The
literal
single person! In that episode! I'm back there in the thread at the time saying the suit design is all I like about that form, and now here I am, profoundly moved by Ikki's tearful declaration that he'll protect Vice, which is clearly demonstrating that whole "mutual acceptance" thing I just said by reversing the typical roles those two play in their relationship, and is actually quite different from 18 in terms of the specific nuances of what it's trying to accomplish thematically! Like, that episode is absolutely a
progression
, not a retread, and it's one I'm constantly coming back to in my head when thinking about how premature I was being in dismissing quite a bit of what Revice was doing.
And that's barely even the tip of the iceberg, between episodes I liked right away, and ones I found the substance in later on. I mean, there's so much I could've, probably should've, hopefully someday
will
take an opportunity to go on and on about. Revice had so much to say that genuinely fascinates me, and especially when it comes back to that simple core idea of being able to love yourself, it's doing so much that speaks to me on a really personal level, the way I'm sure it will for others in the years to come, if those people aren't out there already. I'm just grateful I have my own inner demon of sorts -- that Kagerou in the back of my head always questioning the certainty of my opinions; that Vice telling me I'd have more fun if I'd just let myself -- so that I could realize I loved this show much quicker than I might've otherwise.
But that's once again about me, and it's about Revice, when the real thing I'm here to say above all else right now is simply --
congratulations, Die.
I couldn't have possibly imagined (and maybe you couldn't either!) how much this whole endeavor would grow from that one random thread about Ghost, but it really has been my pleasure to be a part of all these threads over the years, even if I only squeezed into this one at the last second. Like any great serialized journey, each installment was an adventure in its own right, and I'm sincerely grateful in particular for the opportunity to think back over all these shows as someone who had seen them all before. After all, like I tried to emphasize talking about Revice just now -- you find new things to love going back a lot more often than you find new things to hate. I think I know you well enough to know you'll want to flip that statement back around to how it's us participating that makes it worthwhile and everything, but (perhaps once again apropos for Revice!), it takes all those parts together to make the greater whole -- we can only participate because you gave us something worthwhile to participate
in
.
So enjoy your well-earned vacation. And I mean, seriously, please enjoy it! I've said this before, but the sheer stamina you bring to these things regularly humbles and amazes me. You're already giving yourself this whole new schedule, but really, take all the time you need off, and maybe even some extra time for the heck of it. You deserve it!
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