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Originally Posted by DreadBringer

I think the problem if moral is viewed as something childish only present in lighter shows and done make it accessible to general audience, likely any lessons would be dismissed because adults can view them as above guidance, while children may do that in hopes for getting happy ending presented to good guys, only to be later get hit by reality check and dismiss/spread view (out of frustration) virtue as weakness based on their experiences of for example, getting stepped over.

For morality to be perceived, it must be understandable. Since we are talking about the same Geats, this is the problem with him: everyone perceives this show in their own way. And this should not be confused with ?finds something of his own,? which also happened. But when different viewers interpret the characters of Girori or Zitt in completely different ways, or what exactly Ace was motivated by, there can be no question of any morality. Because in this case the viewer creates it for himself.

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Well there was a reason why I asked you about the difference between Faiz and Gaim view before. But Geats haters out of "spirit of Kamen Rider" are typically those who'd be mad at others rejecting Keiwa's plan in ep. 8, which you didn't do. By extension, the overall premise may feel straying to them for showing people joining something out of personal gain/desires and validating that (equals validating doing good for ulterior motives), keeping their wishes until the end, when "spirit of Kamen Rider" expects people to throw it away for those who "need it more", or had those with 'selfish' wish realize it's wrong and follow suit. Kamen Riders are "supposed" to sacrifice their happiness and giving up everything they have for "greater good", to subject themselves to misery or lose their life for others' sake, as stated by PortalTron here.

Overall, wanting personal happiness or something for yourself is "supposed" to be something bad, you have to neglect your welfare and commit yourself to service of others only for "spirit of Kamen Rider". For Geats, something like JGP is really taken for granted, when it's about helping people, wanting to achieve a better world, and fight against monsters who would ruin it, including people pointing out that their actions are not rewarded there. That should be a "spirit of Kamen Rider" Geats displayed, for those hating Geats for "straying" from it - being selfish doesn't necessarily conflict with selfless heroism, you can want to have your dream come true AND do good things.

For me personally, Geats's most obvious sin against the "spirit of Kamen Rider" is Ace's hairstyle. Shotaro Ishinomori so obviously portrayed the villains as Nazis and then such a stab in the back. It’s good that at least we managed without the brush-mustache.

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Basically, anyone on 'good side' on light show can do no wrong (like schadenfreude below),

But you yourself criticized Rinne for her laughter in a horror attraction. Does this mean you embrace this approach or are you demanding it be extended to the entire show?

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It's not all binary, being light doesn't mean that it features something bleak or tragedy. Even Gotchard also has disturbing representation of real-life fears like a (failed) mass-murderer, a stalker pursuing a high-school girl, and a violent thug.

And we return to my old statement that everyone has their own triggers, and therefore everyone has their own concept of a ?dark show?. The same Rinne who laughs at the horror attraction is a good illustration of this. This also includes communication between friends. Someone, on the contrary, will be offended by excessive delicacy, because it will be seen as mistrust.

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For the latter, regarding KR's bad organizations, Geats seem to be only show where people got blamed for participating in DGP without knowledge of its true nature of being done for entertainment/using people as fuel, depicting the people as helping the DGP rob happiness for personal gain (even Keiwa won't be safe from this, though it happens when Keiwa was blaming Mitsume and too stubborn), but of course people on shows like Saber or Revice get no criticism for working on SoL/Fenix without knowledge of its true nature and unwittingly advanced their plans.

But SoL/Fenix ​​immediately declared their intentions and, in fact, lived up to them. It just so happened that there were traitors in their ranks, and these traitors also turned out to be leaders. If Phoenix is ​​still to blame for experiments with Giff's DNA, then SoL is a purely protective organization. While DGP deceived riders, hiding its essence as an entertainment show. The logic here is banal: if there is nothing wrong with it, why lie? In addition, the greatest amount of competition, deception and backstabbing fell precisely during the period when the riders believed that they were saving the world, and this is already a red flag in the direction of the characters, and not the organization. Even from the point of view of selfishness: how will you benefit if the world ends up being taken over by the Jamatos?

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The society encouraging to deny and repress emotions that may seem darker (when not managed properly) such as fear, anger, sadness, etc. also doesn't help and can perpetuate toxic positivity.... but they're also healthy, indispensable emotions.

That is why it is necessary for the heroes not to hide their emotions behind a forced smile.