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Kamen Rider Gotchard Episode 43- "Love, Sorrow & All? The Power To Erase Hate!"
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07-15-2024, 10:57 AM
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Sh Ranger
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Zolda
How did you come to the conclusion that copying is creation? Copying is copying, not creation. Copying is converting the chemical configuration of object B into an identical clone of object A, be it matter-wise and or information-wise. If I copy all the Lord of the Rings books with a photocopy machine, then does it mean I create TLOTR? Of course not. The creator is still J.R.R Tolkien. I'm just creating a clone of the texts. I'm not creating anything new. I'm just changing the chemical/informational configuration of several sheets of blank papers to look like the texts from TLOTR. Another example: If I copy, aka playing a cover of the guitar tracks from the song Metropolis Part 1 by Dream Theater, then does it mean I create those amazing rhythms, leads/melodies, and solos? Of course not. The creator/writer of those amazing guitar tracks is still John Petrucci, not me. I'm just trying to copy his performance. I'm not creating any new performance. Now, if I write a new lead guitar track or a solo guitar track over the rythm guitar track, then I'm creating something new, though I'm sure the quality won't even reach 10% of Petrucci's tracks, haha.
Glion's soul-copying technique is basically converting the chemical configuration of some (or all) parts of his favorite golden Rubik cube into a clone of a part of his body he considered to be a soul. This works similar to Fuga's surrogate bodies, which are likely identical homunculi injected with copies of his soul. Like Germain said, when he ate Glion, Glion's original soul might've been really destroyed along with his body, so the original Glion did indeed die in the same scene, and the currently resurrected Glion is copy #1. So far, the story shows that the copied soul inside the golden Rubik cube is a 100% perfect copy with no deterioration, kinda like a copied file in a computer that is 100% identical to the original file with no corrupt bits. It'd be interesting if it's shown that the copied soul is actually imperfect, corrupted and thus slowly deteriorating, proving that the fundamental laws of nature cannot be bent without serious consequences.
And, isn't conversion and manipulation of matters the core of alchemy, like stated in episode 2? That's the core idea of transmutation in alchemy as recorded in history: Converting and manipulating matter A into matter B/C/D/etc, with one of the main goals of converting lower value matters like copper, lead, or tin into those of higher values like gold or silver. This is why the story often shows Houtarou/Rinne/Minato/etc and all alchemists changing the shape and or chemical configuration of an object into another object, for example in episode 3 @ 17:10 when Minato transmuted a metal drum and changed its shape into a rectangular shield. With adequate skills that drum could've been converted into another shape and or matter. Another main goal of alchemy is converting inert, inorganic matters into organic matters which is the main goal of homunculi creation, and also Chemies in this story. The creations of elixir (the liquid of youth/immortality) and panacea (the ultimate, universal remedy) are several other main goals of alchemy.
I'm only talking about material property in this case, not intellectual property. If you copy something, then what used to be 1 becomes 2. Germain hasn't shown or mentioned any ability to destroy souls, a feat equal to creating them. Only stated that he ate Geryon, which would typically separate the soul from the deceased's body. When a phylactery or "horcrux" is involved, then the splintered soul returns to that place, such as the engoldened cube.
I think Fuuga's doppelgangers use soul-transmission, as his true body is shown to be unconscious when Clotho invades his base, in the same way that Phillip's body is unconscious when becoming Double and how the entire Ganma Eyecon system works. I think it seems relatively logical to apply the same concept to Geryon, with the only difference being that the greater fraction of his soul was transmitted after his death.
True that this is a fitting subject for the theme of alchemy. There are many things that can be researched and experimented on, like elements and the physical body. Even the creation of gold is a simple task in the world of Kamen Rider Gotchard. The true mystery is in the properties of objects and forces we don't understand, which is the ultimate truth that alchemy seeks to learn. The composition and origin of the soul being at the top of that list. The fact that Kongo Laboratories have invented technology to even read the soul is a miraculous breakthrough.
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Zolda
The power of Golem creation is a power possessed by the Gods (the Unholy Trinity), so Golems should be easier to mass-produce and should perform much better compared to mere AI-enhanced Dread Troopers, which are mere alchemical technologies created by humans. How could mere human technologies beat the power of God? It makes no sense at all! If Glion's target is the AU, then he should have little problems. He's gonna have a serious problem when the target is the other members of the Unholy Trinity and or KR Rainbow Gotchard, and maybe also the Alchemist of Dawn.
"Mere alchemical technologies" kind of underestimates what they're capable of. The Dark Kings aren't omniscient after all, unless we consider Gaelijah's yet unseen mastery of astrology. Geryon has gained the power of Germain and 33% of the Philosopher's Stone, in addition to his education with the Alchemy Academy. If he acknowledges the value of "mere alchemical technologies" enough to try and claim it for himself, then perhaps there are things about alchemy that even the Dark Kings can learn from humans, if only they weren't so egotistical to deny that. This is Geryon's major advantage over his stupid predecessor, that he doesn't underestimate humans and would seek to exploit that power against them and his competition.
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Zolda
If what you mean by humans creating humans is the real-life example of the birth of human lives, then I'm afraid you're wrong. Humans do not and cannot create humans. The one creating humans is the universe, not humans. One day, I will have children, and I'm 1000% sure that my children come
through
me and my future wife, not
from
me and my future wife. My children are the gifts from the universe to us, the parents. Humans are mere rivers that give way to the next generation, and the fountain is the universe. Humans are mere nanoscopic, replaceable cogs inside the colossal machinery known as the universe. The mystery of souls and lives is one of the biggest mysteries of the universe, which I think could be an eternal secret only known by the universe. It took billions of years and millions of species, generations, and painful trials and errors for the universe to give rise to sentience and souls, and I dare to claim that my peanut brain can create souls in 100 years? The audacity! Haha.
Agreed. I was only using the term "creation" loosely, in the same sense that "humans created Chemies" is mentioned in the show. If we attribute the creation of a sentient lifeform to the being or force that provides the soul, then we actually can't say for certain who created humans or Chemies, only that humans and the Dark Kings facilitate the creation through chemistry, both natural and synthetic. But if Geryon can copy his soul, then Geryon can create another Geryon, so I doubt your suggestion of him having this ability, due to copying ultimately being a form of creation.
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Zolda
Why would Sabimaru have no need for the Isaac tablet anymore if it had Sabimaru's personality? The proof of the bond between Kid Kenichi and Kid Sabimaru was the Isaac AI, not
the personality
of the Isaac AI. The existence of the Isaac AI right at Sabimaru's fingertips is more than enough of a proof of Kenichi's support. Why would Kenichi make Sabimaru's Isaac tablet speak like Kenichi (or rather, the distant, resentful Kenichi), not like Sabimaru's real personality, only with louder voice? Isn't the point of the Isaac AI is to bridge communication? How would an AI create an effective communication if the personality of the user, which is a
huge
part of the dynamic in a communication, is hindered and instead overridden by the programmer's personality? Isn't that a form of deliberate distortion in communication?
If Sabimaru's Isaac tablet had had Sabimaru's personality, then several serious miscommunication problems could've been avoided, for example in episode 12 @ 12:38 where Sabimaru complimented Houtarou, but his Isaac tablet just kept silent. People think Sabimaru is rude, while he's actually friendly and even shy, and the one that's rude is his Isaac tablet. Its rudeness isn't even the dynamics of Sabimaru's inner ego-super ego-id at work. It's rude just because. If anything, the rudeness of his Isaac tablet only created misunderstanding and confusion. We should thank God that Sabimaru has never encountered street thugs in narrow, lightly-dimmed alleys. A mere "excuse me" from Sabimaru would be grossly blown out of proportion by his Isaac tablet into "make way for me, you slackers!" and severely misinterpreted by the thugs as casus belli, and would very likely result in Sabimaru being beaten into a pulp, haha.
I think Arumi having no lines could've been a hint that she's very likely mute, not mere socially awkward like Sabimaru. The witty, sassy responses made by Arumi's Isaac tablet reflected her actual personality. If Arumi's Isaac tablet successfully created an effective communication between a mute person and normal people, then why did Sabimaru's Isaac tablet create misunderstanding and confusion instead? Being witty/sassy is one thing, being rude is a whole different thing. Instead of making the rudeness of Sabimaru's Isaac tablet the appeal, the writers should've made it extroverted and cheerful, to contrast with Sabimaru's introversion/shyness.
All the more reason why Arumi would need the Isaac with her personality, if she can't verbally convey her personality on her own. Of course, Sabi doesn't have this problem, so we already know what his personality is like and I don't recall anytime that his Isaac has severely misrepresented Sabi's intentions or put him in danger. Isaac is rude, but he knows when to shut up. He could've been programmed with a cheerful personality instead, but then you'd need to find someone other than Kenichi. If Sabi had a problem with the personality, then he simply could've modified Isaac himself, having had the opportunity to do so during Episode 28-29. There's also the possibility that due to Sabi's shy temperament, an Isaac with his personality would be equally shy, which is not an ideal trait for a communication AI. Anyway, don't you think it's pretty weird to hear your own voice coming from outside your body? Personally, I would feel uncomfortable with my personality being copied like that.
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