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Kamen Rider Gotchard Episode 48- "Say Goodbye At Twilight!" Discussion
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08-13-2024, 10:29 AM
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Interesting how Gaelijah's fraction of the Philosopher's Stone was divided in to two 33/200 fragments, allowing both of her rivals to increase their power equally. I'd assumed it was split 33:33:33:1, but this has now been disproved, which makes me wonder if there's more to the Dark Kings' lore than we were told.
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Zolda
Houtarou is seemingly struggling to even use Nijigon's power to enter the mirror portal for several moments.
The key to solving this trick starts with noticing that Houtarou isn't actually in the frame when Nijigon uses his Rainbow Breath. Most likely, this was not a legitimate attempt to enter, but rather a diversion, smoke and
mirrors
, if you will. Gotchard BulletChoucho is already inside the dimension at this point and he uses this opportunity to switch out with the real gun in Geryon's hand. The arrogant Gaelijah laughs at how Houtarou struggles against his fate, while taking her eyes off the fate of her Russian Roulette.
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Once again, this scene has a logical anomaly. How can Gaelya's beam of Avada Kedavra spell be blocked by Atropos, a mere homunculus? Is Gaelya so pathetically weak that Atropos is even able to block her attack?
If Lily can intercept a killing curse from the strongest Dark Wizard, then of course it should be possible for Atropos as well.
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Zolda
I think Clotho is the most underdeveloped among the Sisters. It's like the curse of the middle child, where even the writers have forgotten about her. Well, not that the other Sisters (Atropos and Lachesis) have been developed well.
I disagree. Clotho's arc is about her desire to protect her family bond and her growing desperation to serve any Dark King who offers to help her, even at the cost of her sense of identity. The tragedy is that she's the only one who doesn't want anything to change, but is forced to adapt on her own when the source of her happiness is stolen, which probably makes her the easiest to relate to. Now that Atropos is dead, it means Clotho has failed and we will see how she deals with that loss. You predicted that Clotho would be killed first and honestly, I'm relieved that you were wrong about that. However, I predicted that it would be Lachesis' death to drive a wedge between Clotho and Atropos, so turns out we were both wrong.
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DreadBringer
Not that if Geryon actually helps the heroes to get Atropos back, it'd mean he's not evil, because he'd not extend his treatment to Atropos to anyone else, but it's also not surprising if Geryon never truly loved Atropos but instead wanted to use her to turn the world into gold. Geryon's apparent heart to heart with Fuga only leads to him trying to spite Fuga by having Rinne sacrificed to turn Atropos into Chimera.
Geryon has really gone too far this time! His love for Atropos was his only redeeming quality and now even that turned out to be a lie, which he confirms to her in such a nonchalant and faux-affectionate way. Maybe he created her with the intention of obtaining familial love, but when he still couldn't feel anything, it only fueled his jealousy and spite towards Fuuga. What a great villain, he's despicable and yet his unwavering determination demands respect. I have to praise Kamakari for his vivid portrayal.
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In Twilight Majade's fight, it reminds me of Zi-O... for her challenging the future to defy Gaelijah's destiny and shape her own (of which obviously it symbolizes Rinne being against the rigidity of the rules, character-wise, though her quotes also feel like Na-Go's before against Beroba to talk about letting people live their lives) like Zi-O II seeing the future, and also how it's a moon-themed female Rider used by a female with long dark hair and (mostly) cool/composed demeanor. Also, being able to predict 1 person but not 2 at once reminds me of Yugioh stuff again, about Yugi and Atem countering Pegasus' Millennium Eye with mind shuffle.
Ironically, Zi-O II's suit parts are used for Valvarad not-kuroi-at-all Kurogane instead. Kind of annoying that whenever Majade gets something, Valvarad immediately gets something as well. Talk about stealing thunder.
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Mesnick
And about the most interesting thing. Rinne received a power-up that suits her much better than the igniter. And I really like that they decided to do without new Chemies. Yes, Rinne has seven more forms in the future, but it would be strange if she managed to make friends with the new Chemies while sitting in captivity with Atropos. But the Dark Ring from the Golden Octahedron of Atropos is a completely different matter. Yes, in its idea, Twilight Majade is very close to the recent LiveEvil, but, in my opinion, it looks better, and its debut was more emotional. Build also comes to mind with its Sento/Katsuragi dynamic.
The suit looks much better in action and certainly superior to Evilytylive in both design and plot, but I think it's a little goofy that Atropos' haircut of all things was integrated in the design of Twilight Majade. What about something more unique about Atropos, like her round decorated skirt or two-toned lipstick?
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Mesnick
Because these are not similar situations. In the case of Fuga, the circumstances were: his death was seen by Houtarou and confirmed by Atropos. But at the same time, the first is not confident, and the second is doing everything to throw Rinne off balance. Also, Fuga at this time is a generally recognized traitor, and Rinne is much more closed and stingy with emotions. Plus, Fuga himself appears soon enough, gives daughter a ring and promises to return. In the case of Hotaro in the egg, the situation is even more ambiguous, because while the egg is intact nothing is really clear. And in both of these cases, Rinne was either completely off-screen, or at least on the sidelines. But the situation with Atropos happened right before her eyes and Dark Sister died in her arms and protecting her.
Yeah, I agree that the variable in Rinne's increasingly emotional reactions to loved ones' deaths is her state in character development. When Houtarou tells her about Fuuga's apparent death, she's literally ready to just die, so she doesn't bother with emotions. Apathy is the strongest despair. Throughout the show, Rinne becomes more resolute in her ability to change the future, in contrast to her parallel Gaelijah who accepts the future exactly as she sees it. Gaelijah is the same as the Rinne from Episode 4, so she dies when fate is no longer on her side, since she hasn't the strength of will to oppose it.
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