[DreadBringer]

Late reply..

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Originally Posted by Sh Ranger

Sagara is a pretentious moron. When Kouta wins the fruit, Sagara's all like, "okay now be a good space god and destroy the world please", like seriously, this guy clearly hasn't been paying attention if that's how he expected this to go. Even after Kouta obviously refuses, Sagara tells him to create a prosperous new world, like, why does he still think he has any power over Kouta's actions? Nobody here cares what Sagara's saying! He's dumber than Swartz and only a few brain cells smarter than Gif!

He'd be a control freak like Kekera who also feels Keiwa is entitled to act like what Kekera wants/expects of him, lashing out at him when Keiwa saves Michinaga. Sagara was also Kouta's "supporter", though he doesn't meddle as much in his life as Kekera does. Or obviously villains commonly have low view of humanity or virtue and expect them to act on their worst, basic impulses.

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Originally Posted by Sh Ranger

Now, well, actually I still kind of dislike it, but I recall DreadBringer made a good point that Kaito's lack of development isn't Kouta's fault. That's what annoys me about Kaito, that his cynical philosophy is pretty much the same from start to end and he won't be persuaded otherwise unless someone literally kills him to prevent him from committing genocide.

Fish also made a point about this. This can be considered a good lesson too for a good amount of people, that they have to realize that there are people who are lost causes, those who are more trouble than they are worth to be lenient with, who won't ever change no matter how hard others try; the people who should be cut off and not given second chances. You'd be annoyed if one doesn't give a chance to someone problematic like Ikki to Orteca, but maybe Kaito being given a long time to not be persuaded is to emphasize the lost cause aspect. It's what many people want to see, for those who want to save everyone or have a no-kill approach, what if they're put in a situation where there isn’t any easy way out that leads to the best case scenario they strive for.

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Originally Posted by DreamSword

Kota, Takatora, and Mai are all the prime examples of the sparkles of hope in the darkness. Heck, a big part of Takatora's' arc is him always looking for the silver lining in what would for most people be an impossible scenario. And adding to that theme...

If someone has victim aspects it just seems that all their blame is deflected on someone else that are worse, like Ryoma and his circle for Takatora. As already said, Takatora'd murder 6 billion people to 'save' the world. It's lesser evil to Helheim, but still just have people mostly perish in different ways. If you're only taking intentions into account, then Kaito is also wanting to improve things, by destroying the current world so he can create another one where the weak isn't oppressed, as he thinks the current world is beyond repair. Mai is a non-fighter female supporting character, so everything about her like her actions or views would be just dismissed, just an useless load (useless would mean opposite of hope or even getting blamed for making things worse like slapping Micchy thus making him 'insane').

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Originally Posted by Sh Ranger

and Takatora is willing to sacrifice 6000000000 people

Like what I said above, it's common for people to just blame the people around him and paint Takatora as the victim/innocent among them. The Project Ark only happens because they dismiss Takatora as naive and convince that saving everyone is impossible due to the imminent invasion and limited resources. Thus Takatora is depicted as someone who wants to save everyone just like the main Riders, but just have his plan hindered and manipulated by his circle who only wants to save 1 billion people, forcing Takatora go along with their plan. Condemning Takatora (as anti-villain), which I obviously will do, is seen as insensitive to his situation and context, but how'd you explain that he's still guilty here, particularly if they seem to have full knowledge of Helheim and that it's an impossible situation Takatora just tries best to improve as much as he can?