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Originally Posted by Fish Sandwich

That actually is news to me, if that's the case! I'm more than familiar with people's apathy towards Koyomi, but people saying bad things about Hiyori?! That's like a situation a Phantom would engineer to try and drive me to despair!

That's why threads like this are useful to persuade haters to reconsider their opinion of underrated great heroines like Koyomi, Hiyori and Hirose. Don't let despair win!

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Originally Posted by Fish Sandwich

Oh, and just to pull back the curtain a bit, I had already written that part about the name before you made your post expressing basically the exact same sentiment. Made me feel like I plagiarized your opinion, but I can guarantee it's a conclusion I arrived at independently! Maybe Hurricane's coolness factor really is just *that* objectively observable.

Yeah, I kind of figured. The name does stand out a lot, so I'd be much more surprised if I was the only one with that opinion.

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Originally Posted by DreadBringer

Tsukuyomi is also the low standard for many, though not for the same reason as yours, but for similar reason as the likes of Hiyori to them that she's flat, wooden, seem useless/just there, etc.

Well, they can't say Hiyori was just there during the 30s episode range, since she was not there. I think it shows how much I like Hiyori that my only complaint is that she wasn't there enough.

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Originally Posted by DreadBringer

I wonder what'd be the problem for Asuna as I know those other 2 rubbed you the wrong way but Asuna doesn't seem to be that.

She didn't seem to contribute much to the dynamics other than being vaguely important to Kuroto and I thought it was contrived how she became a villain during the Chronicle arc.

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Originally Posted by DreadBringer

By this, it sounds as if the low standards are the outliers, as you said the bar for heroine is low which sounds more as if it's the general, though I know you saying liking the Phase 1 and early Phase 2 heroines better.

Well, I could easily complain about other heroines, but the 3 I mentioned are the ones who either disappoint or vex me the most.

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Originally Posted by DreadBringer

I wonder if you'd think people's complaint about female treatment using the support heroines from Phase 1 too as an example of how 'sexist' the series are (where they never get a spotlight, relegated to limited, less proactive role, only on sidelines, has no agency or just trophy, etc.) as dead wrong, and that female treatment (except for few) isn't really that big of an issue like they're making them up as.

Depends on the setting and heroine's abilities. Like, I agree with the complaint that Kiriko's role as a cop was quickly forgotten and she got reduced to a damsel (Spinning Wheel is a song about 3 guys wanting to protect her). But I disagree with the complaint that she was denied being a Rider, since it was already explained in-universe why that's impossible, in contrast to Mei where that argument is actually valid. I think it's only fair to judge heroines based on what they can and should be able to do, rather than what people wish they would do. Koyomi is a magically-animated doll that needs to be recharged regularly, so of course she has limits on how much she can do and people need to respect that.