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Kamen Rider Gavv Episode 18- "Extremely Strong! The Pudding Bodyguard" Discussion
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01-25-2025, 07:05 PM
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Zolda
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Quote:
Originally Posted by
toughfighter83
i think
gavv has been one of the worst written seasons
i have watched, like other than the plot of of shoua's mother, he's just getting power ups out of nowhere and
nothing else about him
, even the sibling rivalry was weak, only get mad for a few episodes, one gets defeated and doesnt show up in any of episodes.
Gavv is quickly becoming the 2nd worst written entry in this franchise after (God forbid) Geats. Gavv has faaaaaaaaaaaar surpassed Revice in the atrocity department. The producer of this series (Naomi Takebe) is trying to outdo the atrocity she did last time in (God forbid) Geats, and the writers are trying to out-Yuuya Yuuya Takahashi's masterpiece of atrocious writing, which is also (God forbid) Geats, haha.
I fully concur about Shouma's lack of background story. He's what I call a sterile protagonist. A sterile protagonist is a protagonist whose only existence is to move the plot and nothing else. He only exists as a line that connects the gazillion of plot points in this atrocious story. His 25 years or so of life prior to episode 1 only existed as a person who was house arrested with his mom inside the Stomach mansion by Bouche. During those 25 years or so, aside from his mom, Bouche, the Stomach siblings, Dente, and maybe the Stomach family's maid and butlers, he didn't know any single person. He had virtually 0 friends and didn't belong to any circle, group, community, or organization, which is why there's nothing else about him. Nothing. His life is so empty because it's literally empty. To me, he's not a character, but a tool. He's just a tool that is used by the writers to advance the super duper hyper mega ultra convoluted plot.
One of the gazillion things that makes this story so pathetically, laughably, indefensibly atrocious is that Bouche's decision to imprison Shouma and his mom inside his mansion makes no sense at all, like I elaborated
here
and
here
. Basically, Bouche
must
be a person who has 10 IQ points with 0% logic, rationality, and common sense in order for the convoluted story (with 1000 plot points!) to begin. If Bouche is a normal person with functioning logic, rationality, and common sense then the convoluted plot of this atrocious story would've immediately fallen apart and episode 1 couldn't have begun.
Quote:
Originally Posted by
toughfighter83
main villains havent done nothing other than show up once and dont even fight shouma, lage 9 like what's is the point of this character? feels like another random villain to give the driver to. would have made more sense for one of the main villains to use it.
The worst thing about Lage 9 is his awfully
convenient
power to make humans hApPy. The writers gave him his awfully
convenient
power simply because they needed him to rise up among Stomach part-timers' rank and got noticed by Lango in the quickest manner possible.
One of the Stomach siblings, likely Nyelv, is going to use a new Driver, but it'd happen much later in the story, likely after episode 30. Lage 9 could be a filler villain general/anti-hero spy to fill the direct confrontation with Shouma/KR Gavv and Hanto/KR Valen after Shita died and Jeebh went crazy. With the reveal of the DX Henshin Belt Gavv that will hit the stores on February 1, the villain general spot in the direct confrontation would likely be taken by KR Bitter Gavv which I think could be Jeebh. Lage 9/KR Vram would likely put aside after KR Bitter Gavv debuts in episode 21 on February 2.
Quote:
Originally Posted by
toughfighter83
hanto like again what's the point of giving him a rider form when he cant beat weak villains? his rider form is worse than gavv.
hiding their identity's so annoying
and every episode is just monster of week and nothing to build from these episodes.
Yep. The sEcReT iDeNtItY plot has been stale since 4 or 5 episodes ago. The interaction between Shouma and Hanto during this sEcReT iDeNtItY plot is sooooooooooooo pathetically, laughably stupid.
Quote:
Originally Posted by
toughfighter83
sachika i mean like again
what's the point of her being here if they are just keep her on sidelines?
even if they give her a rider form, it's been a really weak attempt at it because there's just
no character development with her
, heck i think
the character developments for all three has been really weak
.
Your assessment about Sachika is spot on. I also think that she's the most irrelevant, pointless heroine in this franchise's history. She has virtually no connection to the story nor to the other 2 pRoTaGoNiStS. Her connection to the story is solely because Shouma is an utterly stupid and dysfunctional character who can't even find a job for himself (at 25 years old of age!) like I elaborated
here
,
here
, and
here
. If Shouma is a functional adult who can find a job to financially support himself then Sachika would be virtually irrelevant to the story. She'd be a minor recurring character tops. I also think that she'd be given a Rider power just to make her more relevant to the story, like the Revice writers did to Aguilera.
Like I've often said, the characters in this atrocious story are not people, but mere narrative tools to advance the uber-convoluted plot. The three main pRoTaGoNiStS have very weak character developments because they're not characters, but tools.
Quote:
Originally Posted by
toughfighter83
like everything is just getting thrown in there and hope it sticks.
Bingo. That's the most fundamental essence of atrocious writing. The writers are forcefully cramming 1000 plot points into this atrocious story by violating logic, rationality, and common sense and or violate the story's internal logic. That's why I've always called this story a cheap, lazy, manipulated/unnatural/forced/heavy-handed writing. I'm 1000% convinced that the writers
and
producers of this story attended Yuuya Takahashi's Atrocious Writing 101 masterclasses, haha.
Quote:
Originally Posted by
toughfighter83
if i sound harsh on this series, im sorry, im really trying to give this series a chance, im really not feeling it. from alot of kamen rider series that i have watched, one thing i loved about it was that the main characters are always there in every episode and you always feel bonding with them.
You don't need to apologize for calling a rotten apple a rotten apple. Call a spade a spade, a knife a knife.
Quote:
Originally Posted by
toughfighter83
with
this series it feels like an empty shell
.
An empty shell is the most perfect metaphor to describe this atrocious story. It looks gigantic but is so shallow and has almost no essence. It's 97-99% icing with only 1-3% cake. If you use juuuuuuuuuust a tiny dose of common sense, this atrocious story would immediately crumble like a house of cards. It contains 1000 plot points yet it's soooooooooooooo pathetically, laughably, indefensibly fragile, just like (God forbid) Geats.
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Sh Ranger
I was disappointed that there were only 2 Sclash Jellies, as I was hoping there would be more, like maybe a power-up for Rogue. I hope that we haven't seen everything about the Vrastum Gear already, that would suck.
Well, at least the DX Fullbottles can be inserted in the DX Sclash Driver, although as far as I can remember they only play 2 or 3 identical noises. That may not be the case with the regular, box-shaped DX RG's, since they don't look like they can be inserted into the DX Vrastum Gear's tubular-shaped slot. The DX Doppudding and Purujelly RG's can be inserted into the DX Henshin Belt Gavv (since they have similar contact plates like the the regular DX RG's), but not the other way around. Maybe Lage 9/KR Vram's upgrade form will use 1 new tubular-shaped RG, or perhaps he'd even use a modified version of Henshin Belt Gavv or Valen Buster.
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