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Kamen Rider Gavv Episode 19- "The Secret Bittersweet Flavor of Pudding!" Discussion
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01-25-2025, 07:05 PM
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Zolda
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Join Date: Nov 2019
Location: Tokyo, Japan
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I have several new hypotheses:
- KR Valen = Fallen(?)
- Komel was actually killed by Glotta. But, if so, then why didn't she just order her agents to kill him? Why would she, a Stomach top brass, kill a mere lowly part-timer by herself and risk being suspected by the Granute authorities?
- Komel's internal organ was actually the one that was implanted into Hanto's body in episode 6. Although, any Granutes who died and or operated on prior to episode 6 are possible candidates, including random Stomach part-timers and or Dark Snack junkies, Kid Shouma, or even Bouche. Komel was alive when he returned home, albeit dying, so perhaps his internal organ was extracted before he escaped to Lage 9 home? Also, if that internal organ is the crucial organ that makes a Granute a Granute, then can a Granute survive without it? This may also refute my hypothesis in the episode 6 thread
here
that Kid Shouma was the elusive Wolf Granute who kidnapped Hanto's mom 18 years ago, although Kid Shouma was able to survive likely due to him being a human-Granute hybrid.
- Lango and Glotta should've ordered their agents to spy on Hanto/KR Valen to uncover his identity and eliminate him as quickly as possible since the first time he appeared in episode 6, especially after Glotta directly encountered Hanto and saw him transform into KR Valen right before her two eyes in episode 7. Now that it's revealed that they're also ignorant of the fact that KR Vram is Lage 9, it makes even more sense for Lango and Glotta to order their agents to spy on KR Vram to uncover his identity and eliminate him as well. They just need to order their agents not to do stupid things like shown at the beginning of episode 19. If I were Lango and Glotta, then I'd think like drug lords that still have normal, healthy, and well-functioning logic, rationality, and common sense, and I would've immediately ordered my agents to hunt Hanto/KR Valen down right after Glotta encountered him in episode 7. If I were Lango and Glotta, then I'd have immediately eliminate everyone that dare to threat my operations. Gosh, Lango and Glotta are soooooooooooooooo
conveniently
dumb!
- Perhaps Sachika is the only character that would be revealed to have a connection with a law enforcement organization, at least one from the human world? So far, she's the only protagonist among the main trio who has virtually no back story (at all!). Perhaps the writers went full Yuuya with her and the reveal of her backstory would be something surprising or even shocking? Perhaps her dad was a private investigator or a detective from Tokyo police department who investigated Stomach's part-timers in the human world prior to the invention of the Hito Press process, and was killed by Stomach's agents/goons like I hypothesized in the episode 12 thread
here
?
- Even the police in the human world should've already begun to connect the dots when many regular citizens of the human world (who are actually Stomach's part-timer Granutes in disguise) started to show similar patterns of strange behavior, especially when the part-timer Granutes still kidnapped whole humans. The Hito Press process is only recently implemented, and like several character said the Granute part-timers kidnapped whole humans during the previous 20 years(!). 20 years worth of missing person cases with almost identical circumstances, combined with regular citizens (who are actually Stomach's part-timer Granutes in disguise) showing similar patterns of strange/suspicious behavior, should've already been recorded and investigated by the Tokyo police department. Perhaps Sachika's dad is/was a detective/investigator from the Tokyo police department or at least connected to those cases like I mentioned above? It'd be very very
very
stoooooooooopid if there's no law enforcement organization in the human world that has been able connect the dots. It'd be even stoooooooooopider if there's no law enforcement organization in the Granute world that's aware of the existence of Dark Snacks as drugs, at least the existence of a novelty creational food that has addictive effect and has created many dysfunctional junkies in the Granute society. Dark Snacks are sold by the Stomach's agents at the exact same booths (featuring their company's logo!) where they sell their regular products, so the Granute police should've already investigated it and connected the dots since a very very
veeeeeeeeeery
long time ago. If the police can succesfully bust drug lords who sell their merchs at dark alleys, then they should've succeeded busting Stomach's brazen operation. No way the Granute police are still in the dark after 2 decades of Stomach's Dark Snack operation. Heck, if Lage 9, a mere ordinary civilian with virtually zero detective/investigative skills, was able to connect the dots and trace the name Dark Snacks to Stomach corporation in just several months, then the Granute police should've had done 1.000.000x more than what he did, right? Right?
Right
?
- Also, what happened to the humans inside the university class room in episode 19? Even if Lage 9 was able to make them hallucinate until the effect of his toxin wore off, at least several seconds before he injected his toxin they saw him reveal himself as a Granute, so everyone in the room was made fully aware of the existence of non-human intelligence of extra-terrestrial nature. Yet, the Tokyo police are still unable to connect the dots after Lage 9's massive screw-up? Gosh, what a pathetically, laughably, indefensibly stupid story. It's another fundamental law in Gavv's story:
No stupidity = No plots.
- Lage 9 whose redemption is already hinted would visit Shouma at Hapipare, and there he'd then encounter Sachika and start to develop a crush on her, haha.
His situation could be similar to how Naoya Kaido developed a crush on Mari Sonoda in KR Faiz or how Chase developed a crush on Kiriko Shijima in KR Drive.
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Originally Posted by
Mesnick
By the way, if I'm going to be too picky, it's worth noting that Vram gave away his entire backstory, and in return heard almost nothing from Shoma.
That's why it's an infodump. An awful infodump.
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Mesnick
The problem with secrets is that keeping them too long is just as dangerous as revealing them too early. Shoma has already missed the best chance with Valen, let's see what happens with Vram.
Shouma/KR Gavv has already missed the best chance with Hanto/KR Valen? What about Hanto himself? Right in front of Hanto's two eyes, Shouma has already showed and demonstrated many incriminating pieces of evidence that he's not just a normal human with implanted with a Granute's internal organ. The ship of common sense has already sailed, and this story is miserably left behind.
Several people said that Toshiki Inoue's secret identity trope was the worst because it lasted 10 more episodes compared to KR Gavv, but I don't think that's the case. Toshiki Inoue's worst execution of his favorite trope was in KR Faiz where several key relationships like Takumi-Kiba and Yuka-Keitaro dragged for way too long, which I 100% concur. But, at least those characters in KR Faiz very rarely shared incriminating information/evidence about their true selves/intentions before the actual reveal. At least those characters in KR Faiz kept their cards very close to their chest. What makes KR Gavv's sEcReT iDeNtItY trope is 10x worse than KR Faiz's is the fact that many characters have shown many incriminating pieces of evidence to the opposite party, especially in Shouma-Hanto relationship like I mentioned in the first paragraph above, among many others. The fact that Hanto is
still
unable to read between the lines and connect the dots despite the many incriminating pieces of evidence only demonstrates that KR Gavv's story is a big idiot plot.
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Eclipyon
What a dumb thing to say! Of course we don't know, the episode wasn't even out yet!
That's why I used question marks there, bruh. I was asking, not saying. It was a conditional question. That paragraph was solely based on what's shown in the preview section in episode 19. What would actually happen is likely Shouma and Lage 9 kill the guarding agents before entering the interworld portal. Perhaps the dumb one is not me?
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Sh Ranger
Except that Aguilera only became irrelevant since she was forced to live after losing her purpose in life. Sachika lives to make others happy, mostly through jobs involving physical labor, so becoming a Rider would be an appropriate choice.
Sachika is irrelevant because she has virtually zero connection to backstories of Shouma, Hanto, and other characters. Unlike previous KR heroines, she's a 100% complete stranger to all the protagonists and or villains. Like I said in my hypothesis above, her utter lack of backstory could be a sign that her backstory would reveal something surprising or even shocking. I see a 70-80% chance that the writers likely went full Yuuya with her. Perhaps her backstory would be hinted, teased, or even revealed after KR Bitter Gavv's debut.
Also, why is being able to do physical things make someone an appropriate candidate for becoming a Rider? Hina Izumi in KR OOO was even able to do many more physical things much much
much
better than Sachika will ever do in a million years. Mizuki Mizusawa had become an action girl in KR Amazons season 2. Renge Takatori in KR Kabuto and Hana (and Kohana!) in KR Den-O were even able to fight on their own. Does that make them appropriate candididates for becoming Riders, even if the stories didn't need them to? Please stop making everyone (especially a heroine) a Rider just to make them more relevant to the story.
Last edited by Zolda; 02-02-2025 at
05:36 AM
.. Reason: Fixed typos in a quote link.
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