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Kamen Rider Gavv Episode 20- "Break In To The Dark Snacks Factory!" Discussion
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01-26-2025, 01:46 AM
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Zolda
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In the scene @ 00:28 it's shown that Hanto's wounds have been quickly healing. It seems quite likely that Hanto will start showing gradual genetic transformation into a Granute like I hypothesized in episode 7 thread
here
. It'd be ironic if it's true.
Nyelv gives Lage 9 the new Purujelly RG @ 02:03. What looks like a free gift could prove to be an expensive curse later, and Lage 9 could be the first pawn who'd get the short end of the stick from his cahoots with Nyelv like I hypothesized in the episode 17 thread
here
. "If the product you use is free, then the actual product is
you
."
Shouma is trying another attempt to convince Lage 9 @ 05:49 by showing him that Takeshi's parents and Sachika the busybody girl are distributing pamphlets showing Takeshi as a missing person. It reminds Lage 9 of the same thing he did in the Granute world. The Granutes rudely dismissed Lage 9's question about Komel's whereabouts, so perhaps the majority Granutes have an attitude problem, haha.
It makes sense for Takeshi's parents to desperately search for him, but it makes less sense for Lage 9 to do that. Had he tried contacting the Granute police department first? It'd be more interesting if the Granute police department (or its top insiders) conspired with Stomach to cover up the circumstance surrounding Komel's death (and likely other part-timers who went out of line as well). I hope the Granute police department/law enforcement will be elaborated in later episodes. It'd make no sense at all if the Granute police department/law enforcement is not involved in this story. The stupidest thing in this scene is the fact that Lage 9 (once again!) is wearing the same exact clothes, his eye-catching (and out of place) big, black coat that he always wore when he committed all his crimes. Where the heck are the Tokyo police?
A criminal is walking around casually in his favorite clothes in a very open, public place in broad daylight, and no one from the law enforcement is arresting him, or at least spying on him?
Gosh, what a conveniently stupid story. *intergalactic hyperdrive facepalm
Lage 9 asks Shouma @ 07:23 why Komel was killed, and Shouma says that it's likely because Komel wanted to stop kidnapping humans. Lage 9 suggests to Shouma that the only way to find Takeshi and the remaining Hito Pressed humans is to go directly to Stomach's factory, and ends it by introducing his real name as Lakia.
Lage 9 takes Shouma to a temporary collection location @ 09:08 out of 2 others. He says that part-timers can't freely traverse between worlds. They then follow one of Lango's agents to the location of the actual portal: A toilet stall. Shouma simply uses his Stomach power and unlock the portal and casually enters it with Lage 9. In episode 19 thread
here
I hypothesized that Shouma and Lage 9 would likely kill the agent guarding the portal, but it turns out I'm 1000% wrong because the portal is not guarded, at all! Why the heck Stomach put a portal in such a public place?
What if some human see the agents coming in and out of the portals?
Why the heck they even use the big, conspicuous, and gaudy agents to freely roam the human world to collect the Hito Pressed humans from the part-timer in the first place?
Don't those big, conspicuous, and gaudy agents create the literal huge risk of being detected by humans?
Maaaaannnnn... Stomach corporation gotta be the stupidest drug dealer in the whole multiverse. Their business plan, as usual, makes very little sense.
If Lango is a drug lord that still has normal, healthy, and well-functioning logic, rationality, and common sense, then he would:
- Command Shita, Jeebh, or several of the higher-ranked part-timers to rent several locations in the human world as collection spots, and make them look as normal
and
private as possible, very likely as an apartment for Shita, Jeebh, or the part-timers.
- Command the part-timers to visit those locationsto submit the Hito Pressed humans they've collected to Shita, Jeebh, or several of the higher-ranked part-timers as both field coordinators and supervisors/guards, or better, simply send the Hito Pressed humans via post, UPS, DHL, etc to those locations. Since the Hito Pressed humans look like ordinary acrylic stands, no one from the Tokyo law enforcement would raise eyebrows.
- Since Shita and Jeebh are members of the Stomach family, they can easily open the interworld portal and smuggle the Hito Pressed humans easily into the Granute world.
- In case of Shita or Jeebh is unable to supervise several other locations, then those locations would be supervised by the higher-ranked part-timers. The agents then will only need to show up
inside
those locations (not outside!) to collect the Hito Pressed humans. The big, conspicuous, and gaudy agents will not need to take even one step outside of those locations, thus greatly minimizes the literal huge risk of being detected by humans.
- Since the big, conspicuous, and gaudy agents never step outside, from outside observers those locations will look like any ordinary apartment buildings in Tokyo. The only people outside observers will see are just Shita, Jeebh, and several of the higher-ranked part-timers, all of whom are able to assume their human disguises, so no humans will bat an eye. Better yet, give Shita, Jeebh, and those higher-ranked part-timers multiple human disguises to even obscure their tracks. Shouma, Hanto, and even Lage 9 will have an infinitely much, much,
much
harder time since they can't tell the difference between a real human and a Granute in disguise without looking beneath the clothes.
- PROFIT.
See, Lango? That's how you cover up your tracks in the human world. Eliminate the big, conspicuous, and gaudy agents, since they're Stomach's biggest liabilities in the human world. The fact that the big, conspicuous, and gaudy agents are obviously known risks but are even allowed to roam free in the human world in the first place only show one thing: Lango is an utterly idiotic CEO villain. I need not to worry, though. He'd likely do several other stupid things in future episodes.
Shouma and Lage 9 are trying to open several doors inside the so-called Door Room but they're connected to different locations in the human world. And yes, the Door Room is
also
not guarded by agents. Dumb. When they finally manage to open the door that lead to the Stomach factory in the Granute world, the other side of the door is
also
not guarded by agents. Dumb again. Shouma says @ 11:29 that the Hito Pressed humans are stored and processed into spices at the underground part of the factory. This makes sense since in episode 1 Shouma and his mom were taken there. What makes no sense is @ 11:43 where Shouma instantly presses the correct key combination into a locked room, without even trying! He says to Lage 9 that his memory is quite unclear, which then begs the question: How the heck Shouma was able to know the correct key combination in the first place?
Why the heck the Stomach family members even allow Shouma to know the most sensitive information of the Dark Snack production facility?
Don't know! Perhaps Shouma's memory contains the memory of another person? Who knows. This scene could be yet another plot point to be added to the already convoluted plot. Also, where the heck is everyone there?
Why aren't there workers, employees, lab scientists, or at least Lango's and or Glotta's agents guarding the entrance to the factory, especially Glotta's, since she's the one who supervises the factory?
I've never seen a big factory or facility that looks sooooooooooo empty like this. It doesn't look like a factory, but an abandoned building. What an odd, bizarro writing.
Shouma is having a flashback @ 12:13 Lage 9 pulls his hand. Aaaaannnnnddddd... Hanto's mom named Sae Karakida appears in that flashback. She pulled Kid Shouma's hand when he was looking for her mom and asked Kid Shouma to come with her to pick up his mom. She looked perfectly fine in that scene, so after she was kidnapped by the elusive Wolf Granute 18 years ago, she was likely let go and was let alive, at least for a short time. There's even the very low probability that she's still alive right now. Kid Shouma having met Hanto's mom could mean that the elusive Wolf Granute who kidnapped her 18 years ago was indeed Kid Shouma like I've been hypothesizing in episode 6 thread
here
, or at least connected to Kid Shouma in some way. Shouma then wonders if the woman in the flashback is actually Hanto's mom. The question is: How did Kid Shouma lose his memory? Also, how did Shouma instantly concludes that the woman in the flashback is Hanto's mom? That woman could've been another human, and Hanto's mom could've been already processed into Dark Snack spices. Perhaps Hanto's mom introduced her full name (Sae Karakida) to Kid Shouma, or even befriended him since Kid Hanto was also around the same age as Kid Shouma? That could be true because Hanto's mom thought that Kid Shouma was just another human who was kidnapped with his mom by Granute part-timers. If my hypothesis is correct, then this reveal is quite similar to KR Gotchard on how Kid Houtarou was revealed to having already befriended Hopper 1, Steamliner, and other Chemies in the past before he was Neuralyzed by Fuga. In the scene @ 12:28 Shouma remembers the flashback he experienced in episode 12 when he saw Hanto pulled out the last photo of his kid self and his mom 18 years ago. Is that how Shouma instantly concludes that the woman in the flashback in this episode is Hanto's mom? Hanto never actually showed Shouma the photo. He only pulled it out and Shouma was just looking at it from a distance from the side, so it'd be quite hard to discern the facial detail of her mom.
When an agent finally appears @ 12:36, he's easily defeated. Shouma and Lage 9 don't even need to transform, haha.
Hanto finally wakes up @ 12:54. He wonders how he got there, and Kenzou says that it was Shouma who brought him there after he was defeated by Lage 9/KR Vram. Hanto accuses Kenzou of doing something suspicious to Shouma @ 13:24, and Kenzou of course denies it. Aaaaannnnnddddd... The camera then immediately pans to the lab plate containing a strand of Shouma's hair that the took in episode 19, accompanied with an animated image of DNA strand on his computer screen. Like I hypothesized in episode 19 thread last week
here
, it's very likely that Kenzou is starting a new experiment with Shouma's DNA. It could be an experiment to extract Shouma's human DNA. Maybe, just maybe, that human DNA is then injected into Jeebh to allow him to gain similar power to Shouma, and allow him to create Gochizous by eating humans' snacks. Jeebh's Gavv would be modified by Nyelv or Kenzou based on Dente's data, or even by Dente himself. The side effect of this DNA injection experiment could likely cause Jeebh to gradually develop sympathy for humans. Jeebh was last seen in episode 16, so there's a high chance that the writers are sidelining him to build momentum for his reappearance with a brand new look and debut as KR Bitter Gavv in episode 21 on February 2 as the toy release date indicated. There's also a lower possibility that Kenzou/Nyelv is trying to create a clone of Shouma based on the extracted DNA, and the clone's Gavv would then be modified with the Henshin Belt Bitter Gavv, similar to how a random Native Worm was ordered to mimic kid Tendou Souji, was given the Dark Kabuto Zecter, and was used as the test subject of the Hyper Zecter experiment in KR Kabuto. Oh, and congratulations to Kenzou for having a very very
very
convenient power of being able to detect a strand of hair from several meters away, haha.
Shouma and Lage 9 are involved in a gun fight inside the Stomach factory's underground floor, and there are still no worker at all. None. What kind of factory is this silent with no worker in sight at all? Heck, even all the equipments there are turned off! Lango has already stated multiple times that he's planning to increase Stomach's visibility and profit in the drug dealing underworld, so why the heck is the production halted and all the factory workers and employees are put on vacation?
The factory is conveniently empty with literally no one there so that Shouma and Lage 9 are able to complete the convoluted subplot in this episode. What's even weirder is the fact that the workers or supervisors are nowhere to be seen, but the Hito Pressed humans are laid neatly on trays and conveyor belt, as if the production line is running. The alarm sets off @ 12:51, and no one has responded to the emergency situation, and only Glotta arrives there @ 14:23. What a laughably weird factory! Haha!
Glotta sees Lage 9 with Shouma, and concludes that Lage 9 is betraying Stomach. Likewise, Lage 9 introduces himself using his real name, Lakia Amarga, and reveals his intention to uncover Komel's death who he's suspected was killed by one of Stomach's goons. The focus on Glotta in this scene could mean that Komel was indeed killed by Glotta like I hypothesized in episode 19 thread
here
, or at least killed by one of her agents.
Maaannn... I thought Lage 9 would stick around longer to spy on Stomach and uncover more of their deeper secrets, but no, he reveals himself to Glotta as a traitor. He doesn't even try to hide! Why would he reveal himself as a traitor this early? If he stayed longer as a spy, he could be promoted to higher position, and would be able to uncover many more valuable secrets. What are Stomach's secrets that he has actually uncovered as a spy? So far, aside from having the Vrastum Gear, most of the intel he has known about Stomach are the same knowledge possessed by any ordinary part-timers. Now that his jig is up, who would give him info about Komel's death? His decision to reveal himself to Glotta as a traitor makes no sense at all. This is likely due to KR Bitter Gavv's debut next week. Lage 9's tenure as a featured Rider is likely over, so the writers made him make a dumb decision simply to clear the screen and make room for KR Bitter Gavv. He looks like a very disposable character that exists simply to be given the Vrastum Gear, transforms into KR Vram, and promote the DX toys. When the advertising for the new DX Henshin Belt Bitter Gavv toys begins, Lage 9 is casually tossed aside, like a useless item tossed aside on a messy table to make room for the new items. Heck, he even recited his entire back story last week in the infodump scene in episode 19! This makes me kinda pity Lage 9, haha.
Hanto is scrolling through social media @ 17:32, and he receives a notification of a post that shows a photo of Shouma/KR Gavv surrounded by Glotta, 2 of her agents, and Lage 9/KR Vram. He thinks that Shouma/KR Gavv is taking on 4 opponents by himself. Lage 9/KR Vram decides to try the new Purujelly RG. When the Invisible Jelly finisher is activated, 2 tendrils appear from the Driver and connect to his heart. The Purujelly RG's the Invisible Jelly finisher is nice because it can render Lage 9/KR Vram invisible, but it'd likely has negative side effects which could shorten his lifespan. That could be the short end of the stick from his cahoots with Nyelv I mentioned in paragraph 2 above.
Hanto shows up at the fight scene @ 20:03. He sees Lage 9/KR Vram fight Glotta, concludes that Shouma/KR Gavv is helping Lage 9/KR Vram, and becomes hesitant to transform. The blade on Glotta's weapon is destroyed by Shouma/KR Gavv Caking form's finisher, and she lauds him by calling him the youngest of the Stomach family. This reveal surprises both Lage 9 and Hanto, especially Hanto who appears behind Shouma @ 22:17. This is sooooooooo convenient and lazy. Hanto is made to not transform in this scene simply so that he can listen to Glotta revealing the info about Shouma being the youngest of the Stomach siblings. This kind of lazy reveal has been the staple of this story, such as the ones in episodes 14-16. So yeah, like I hypothesized last week in episode 19 thread
here
, Hanto
finally
learns the truth about Shouma's true nature as a human-Granute hybrid. Hanto learning the truth about Shouma after 7 episodes overdue is already stupid, but what's even 100x stupider is the fact Hanto learns it not via deductive reasoning of his own, but simply via a very very
very
convenient, cheap, and lazy circumstantial reaveal. Who needs logic? Who needs rationality? Who needs common sense? Who needs reasoning? A lazy infodump/reveal will suffice. No need for logic, rationality, and common sense. Gosh, this gotta be the stupidest sEcReT iDeNtItY plot I've ever seen. My Lord in heaven, what an atrocious writing. *facepalm while vomiting from the cringe-inducing stupidity of this story
In the scene @ 22:25:
Hanto: "Shouma... You're a Granute?! What do you mean you're Stomach's youngest child???"
Me: "No shit, Sherlock! You're 7 episodes overdue, bruh. Where have you been, Hanto?"
Yes. Once again, KR Gavv demonstrates how pathetically, laughably, indefensibly lazy, cheap, sloppy, and atrocious its story is. Congratulations, Gavv's writers and producers! You've demonstrated how creatively bankrupt this franchise has become since 2021.
Next week:
The debut of KR Bitter Gavv. His real identity is likely Bitter Shouma(?)/Dark Shouma(?)/Clone Shouma(?). He's doing bad things to humans, and would likely be mistaken as the real Shouma by Hanto and Sachika. Kenzou's even trying to flame up the conflict by saying that it's the real Shouma's true nature since he's working with Lage 9 in episode 20. So yeah, Bitter Shouma(?)/Dark Shouma(?)/Clone Shouma(?)is likely a clone created by Kenzou from Shouma's DNA like I elaborated above and in episode 19 thread
here
. This raises several questions: What's the point of Kenzou's experiment with Shouma's DNA? What's he trying to achieve from it? What's his endgame? Does it have anything to do with Jeebh who is currently MIA? KR Bitter Gavv could be very similar KR Gotchard Daybreak who appeared very briefly for several episodes simply to shill the modified/dark/palette-swapped version of the main Rider's Driver/trinkets and was never seen again after his advertising tenure ends, haha.
Soooooooo,
that
's likely how Bandai roll today.
My hypothesis in episode 6 thread
here
about Hanto's conflict was proven to be correct. Heck, I even correctly pinpointed that it would begin in episode 20. After this point Hanto would likely begin his transition into a dark secondary Rider (like what happened to Sad Boi Keiwa) like shown on the 2nd arc poster several weeks ago. What's his name would be? KR Dark Valen? KR Corrupt Valen? KR Bitter Valen? KR Fallen Valen? Haha.
Anyway, welcome to the game, Sad Boi Hanto! Haha.
Sooooo, KR Bitter Gavv turns out to be a different character, not Jeebh. The fact that Jeebh is
still
nowhere to be seen could mean that he'd likely transform into the 5th Rider. That, or he's simply forgotten by the writers due to the super duper hyper mega ultra convoluted plot, haha.
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