[DreadBringer]

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Originally Posted by Kamen Rider Die

KAMEN RIDER OOO EPISODE 39 - “A NIGHTMARE, A SECURITY CAMERA, AND ANKH’S COUNTERATTACK”

GOTOU AND SATONAKA: There’s something about the chemistry between these two that always delivers for me. (If I have one complaint about this series as a whole, it’s that the show never used Satonaka enough.) Gotou’s serious heroism set next to Satonaka’s whole I’m Just Doing My Job lackadaisical indifference -slash- constant understated competence is funny on its own, but this show always ups it by reminding the audience that Satonaka is actually Gotou’s boss. Him having to politely suffer through her lack of urgency is maybe my favorite attribute of Gotou’s, and this episode thankfully leverages that to immediately undercut Gotou’s big boy costume change and tactical backpack to make him STILL the sidekick to a more charismatic actor. Even if the rest of this episode had been scenes of the production team destroying my Figuarts collection, I’d’ve still cheered this episode on. Satonaka and her sidekick, Birth! SPLENDID!!!

I feel lackadaisical indifference fits Satonaka more here than understated competence. No one looks down on Satonaka I guess, but she really is someone who only fights/works for getting paid. She fits more towards the negative assumptions about Date, albeit money isn't her main goal (but it's often the primary aim on why one works). Dunno how limited is her indifference, like if she'd be like Ankh to stand by and let innocents get massacred if she directly sees them but no pay. This does feel more impactful about Goto having to learn humility, than back then when Goto suddenly eats the birthday cakes to work in Kougami Foundation again, probably what makes Goto need to become Birth earlier is not only about his screentime but also room for his development here to deal with unreasonable teammates. Though still I always wonder about complaints of characters being sidelined like Satonaka here, that they still deserve to be praised highly similar to characters like Momotaros, or that they're inherently lower of value in quality for being sidelined.

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Originally Posted by Kamen Rider Die

SPECIAL GUEST-STAR ARCHIMEDEL FROM GEATS: Sorry to steal Androzani’s thunder, but you think I’m not going to talk about the guy who played a memorable character on my all-time favorite Kamen Rider series?! He’s hilarious here, a self-important busybody who’s actually the flunky of his domineering wife. He’s broad as hell, but that’s all to clue you in to the register this one’s operating at: full buffoonery. I mean, there’s a segment where Hina throws a ladder to incapacitate a Bird Yummy, followed by a segment where Hina holds a rag in front of Chiyoko so she doesn’t see that Ankh is fighting alongside OOO. It’s ridiculous, Archimedal (wink) is ridiculous, it’s all so much fun.

Guess Shihou Harumi really knows your favorites to be both in here and Geats. It's understandable, but even Chiyoko can get mad and throw tantrums, despite being seemingly always unfazed by other people's hostility, such as Ankh and Maki. Chiyoko directed her anger towards something more justifiable, unlike Sanako in Ryuki, though still wondered what'd be her limits by this if she could tolerate a depraved bastard in Maki. Though the Shimoda couple is clearly villainous, with a stock goal to rule over others, taking over the neighbor, being tyrannical watcher that does whatever they want, the other one who purposely uses the Yummy for their own benefit after Kanbayashi.

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Originally Posted by Kamen Rider Die

WHOLE EPISODE ABOUT ANKH’S ETERNAL FEAR OF BEING ABANDONED: It’s the tragic part of Ankh, his fear of abandonment. A lot of his abrasive personality traits are symptoms of his betrayal by the original OOO, and his certainty that he’s only at risk if he lets people get close to him. But it’s been 10 months since he possessed Shingo and teamed with Eiji – he’s let people get close to him. He has relationships, and that means he has something to lose. His nightmare isn’t that Lost Ankh will kill him, it’s that Lost Ankh will replace him with Eiji; his fear is that no one wants him around. The irony that he’s most at risk because he’s a sneering asshole that hijacked a comatose body isn’t lost on Ankh, but it’s also nothing he can do anything about right now. He’s terrified of being replaced and abandoned, but that fear is just making him more of belligerent weirdo than usual. The tension of all of that drives this episode, and it’s almost the best thing in it.

It can be a self-fulfilling prophecy yeah, to have a fear of no one wanting you around, but act in a manner that makes one really not want you around, like being abrasive, or distancing yourself from others (the "rejecting people before getting rejected" philosophy). These are also what I can go through. Oh, there was a character that brought this up, Yasu, the criminal victim of the week in ep. 19-20, about how he frequently backstabs others because he can't trust people. Though dunno too if Ankh seems to have contempt for humanity that adds to his abrasiveness to them, like how he immediately assumes the worst about Date, and that he feels humans deserve their just desserts for being consumed by their desires.

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Originally Posted by Sh Ranger

Of course, there are people who'd ship anybody, so it totally applies to those two as well. I doubt Kuroto would see it that way though, considering how the whole Doctor Mighty XX thing resulted in him getting forced in to house arrest and community service, despite actually being willingly helpful for that part.

Never talking about Kuroto or any of those villains as the actual characters themselves, generally, no one will see it that way, but more about the audience that'd always view any case about them being helpful and contributing to saving the day as being tsundere about said claims, where I want for the differences in why the good guy team cast (or just any team, like the Saber moral of organization =/= people) fight to be acknowledged.

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Originally Posted by Sh Ranger

Makes sense. Decade was an entry point for a lot of people (at least judging from that thread), so I can see how they would feel nostalgic about the first 3 full-length shows that succeeded it. As one of those people, I have Double and Fourze in my top 10 Heisei, but I'll still acknowledge their flaws and listen to people's fair complaints, even about Faiz.

Guess this is why I bring this up to you, in an OOO thread, albeit you claim you'd acknowledge the other two's flaws too (I'm only on the fence about Fourze regarding this). But dunno about acknowledging flaws and listening to fair complaints part, which I struggle with as well, that you must agree on said complaints without debating (perhaps like those liking less received shows by just acknowledging said show as flawed and that it's their guilty pleasure), and that if one explains or defends about a complaint if one feels they catch something that needs to be explained to said people, it means you're not listening and dismissing them.

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Originally Posted by Sh Ranger

I know right! After reading Die's opinions about Gotou, I realized that I have basically no opinions about Gotou, other than him being less entertaining than Date. Reminds me of Hikaru from Revice, for how much he just exists.

And yeah, with what I talk about regarding nostalgia above, probably criticism about Goto would be met with more backlash or silencing, compared to something (even if they do earn the criticisms) like Hikaru from Revice you said there, or characters like Yua from Zero-One. Though ofc, doesn't mean that the ones who defend the popular show is always sheepish or the ones who criticize is always right (a view I hate too on the internet), just that this is perhaps an example of the double standard (I hate this regarding judgments) I brought up - still don't want for those that defend a popular show to be just dismissed as a sheep, as long as they'd give reasonable explanation while hearing out about the less liked shows. Otherwise, guess as another example, about what I talk in characters like Hiyori or Tsukuyomi being seen as wooden, it'd be similar to how you or Die view Goto.