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Kamen Rider Gavv Episode 42- "At The End Of Broken Feelings" Discussion
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07-06-2025, 01:27 AM
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Zolda
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Since this episode that focuses on both Nyelv and Kenzoumbie also marks the 4th week anniversary of the resolution for Hanto's revenge subplot about his mom's death in episode 38, I'd like to celebrate it by elaborating a very severe logical anomaly that formed the very fundamental of the chain of events that led to Hanto's debut transformation into KR Valen at the end of episode 6.
I already elaborated in my 1st post in episode 6 thread
here
that the very very
very
convenient fact (which I called Minority Report's "orgy of evidence" meme) that the culprit (the mushroom Granute) very very
very
conveniently left all pieces of incriminating evidence of his crime of killing Mr. Shioya right at the crime scene at the end of episode 5 (with the very very
very
obvious intention of having them be easily found by Hanto at the beginning of episode 6) was solely done to provoke him into transforming into KR Valen at the end of episode 6. It was soooooooooooooooooooo obvious that someone (or rather, 2 people, i.e. Nyelv and Kenzou) set Hanto up to be the patsy, with Mr. Shioya's death as the bait.
What's the problem with that?
As always in this atrocious story, the problem is exactly the same: The mushroom Granute's decision (in leaving all pieces of incriminating evidence of him killing Mr. Shioya right at the very crime scene) was a very very
very
stupid decision that made no sense at all. The mushroom Granute said to Mr. Shioya in episode 5 @ 22:48 that he was "just doing an errand", which later in episode 6 @ 13:17 was revealed that the one who sent him on the errand was Nyelv who was shown holding the bottom part of Mr. Shioya's broken Hito Press in that scene. The chain of events in episodes 5-6 then led to Hanto debuting his transformation into KR Valen at the end of episode 6.
Gavv 05 @ 22:48
Gavv 06 @ 13:17
In my 1st post in episode 6 thread
here
, I dubbed the mushroom Granute's decision at the end of episode 5 until the beginning of episode 6 Minority Report's "orgy of evidence" meme because it was similar to the plot twist scene in Minority Report where Danny Witwer (an investigator from the DOJ who had been a hardened veteran detective of the police's homicide department) pointed out to Gordon Fletcher (an officer from the Precrime department who previously had had only worked in financial crime department at the Treasury), that the fact that a nobody named Leo Crow had left a suspiciously high number of pieces of incriminating evidence of all his past crimes as a child kidnapper/pedo (including the photos of the protagonist Chief John Anderton's son Sean who had been missing for several years earlier and was strongly suspected to be a victim of kidnapping) at the very crime scene where he was said to have been killed by Anderton, made no sense at all because a culprit would've never left all those pieces of incriminating evidence for everyone to see, unless it had intentionally been done to frame someone else. As the story went, Witwer inferred and did find that it had indeed been a set up. The one who was framed was the protagonist Anderton, who was set up by the real villain of the story, his close friend Lamar Burgess. Burgess had paid Crow, a total nobody outsider who had had nothing to do with Sean's kidnapping, to play the fake role of the culprit who had kidnapped Sean, and by using Anderton's trauma about Sean's kidnapping (which had still been unsolved), he manipulated Anderton's negative emotional tendency and managed to create a quite convincing illusion of the framing of Anderton as the one who had killed Crow (a future event that the Precogs had seen) and fooled everyone but Witwer. Crow would've been a total idiot if he received no compensation for his sacrifice as a pawn in Burgess' scheme, but Crow was a normal human with well-functioning logic, rationality, and common sense, so he received some form of posthumous compensation for his family. TLDR: Although Crow was a mere pawn in Burgess' scheme, at least he (or rather, his family) was compensated.
Soooooooooooooooooooo, compared to Crow's decision in Minority Report, what's stupid about the mushroom Granute's?
By now, the answer is as bright as the sun: His decision was soooooooooooooooooooo stupid because he got nothing in return for his sacrifice as a pawn in Nyelv's and Kenzou's scheme. Nothing. None. Nihil. Nada. A big frakkin' nothing. He ended up just being a 10000000000000000000000% stupid pawn who was killed by Hanto/KR Valen at the end of episode 6 merely in order to move Hanto's subplot, i.e. Nyelv's and Kenzou's cahoots in making him transform into KR Valen, which then contributed to the subplots in later episodes about the conflict between Hanto and Kenzou, which culminated in Kenzou's transformation into KR Bake in episode 27 (and then being defeated by Hanto/KR Valen in episode 28), and Hanto's decision to forgive Kenji/Rago/wolf Granute in episode 38. If he had known just a bit of office politics, then he should've been alarmed when Nyelv had asked him to kill Mr. Shioya and leave all the pieces of incriminating evidence of it at the very crime scene. If the mushroom Granute had only had a tiny drop of common sense, then he should've realized that Nyelv's order could only mean one thing and one thing only: He had been thrown under the bus by Nyelv, and he would gain nothing at all in return. When Nyelv told the mushroom Granute, "You kill Mr' Shioya and then leave all the pieces of incriminating evidence of it at the very crime scene," what he really meant was, "You kill Mr' Shioya and then leave all the pieces of incriminating evidence of it at the very crime scene so that they can be tracked back to you, but only
I
can take advantage of the situation, since you're a mere disposable pawn." The fact that he just gleefully went along with Nyelv's scheme without getting any form of compensation at all demonstrated that he had the absolute worst judgement and decision-making ability. It was worse than a 0 IQ point move. I've said several times that the characters in this atrocious story have room temperature IQ, but in the mushroom Granute's case, his IQ was pretty much equal to freezer temperature, haha.
If the mushroom Granute was a normal person with well-functioning logic, rationality, and common sense, then he would've definitely chosen self-preservation and would've decided to betray Nyelv by at least trying to throw a wrench into his smooth, clean (read: sanitized), sterile scheme. One of the most logical routes of his attempt at derailing Nyelv's scheme is as follows:
- He should've decided to still Hito Press Mr. Shioya,
- but had decided beforehand that he would've not broken Mr. Shioya's Hito Press (aka killing him). Instead, he'd have used the broken top portion of a fake Hito Press that had been made to look identical to Mr. Shioya's. A Hito Press looks like a normal acrylic stand, so it's not hard to forge a fake one. The fake Hito Press had then been covered with his mucus and left with the other pieces of incriminating evidence at the crime scene to provoke Hanto.
- I can hear the writers loudly making an excuse, "b-B-bUt zOlDa, kEnZoU cOuLd'Ve kNoWn iF tHe hItO pReSs hAd bEeN a fAkE oNe!" Well, the scene in episode 6 @ 06:25 showed that Kenzou only took a comically brief examination about 5 or 6 seconds of Mr. Shioya's broken Hito Press under the microscope. In that scene, without even performing the most basic procedures of DNA extraction, he was immediately able to confidently conclude that the mucus on Mr. Shioya's broken Hito Press belonged to a certain Granute with mushroom motif, which means that he'd already been informed by Nyelv that the mushroom Granute had been given the order to kill Mr.Shioya. He didn't also perform any examination (at all!) whether Mr. Shioya's broken Hito Press was a real or a fake one, very likely because he was also informed by Nyelv that Mr. Shioya would be killed by the mushroom Granute, so even if it had been replaced with the fake one by the mushroom Granute, he wouldn't have known due to his excessive confidence in Nyelv's information, completely missing the huge possibility that the mushroom Granute still had had a chance to throw a wrench into his and Nyelv's scheme.
Gavv 06 @ 06:25
- On the other hand, the piece of evidence that he had submitted to Nyelv (as a proof of having actually killed Mr. Shioya) had not been the broken bottom portion of a fake Hito Press, but a
real
one of another male human. Nyelv couldn't have been able to tell Mr. Shioya's DNA apart from another male human's, so a real Hito Press of another male human could've fooled him. He could've submitted the broken bottom portion of the fake Hito Press to Nyelv and could've used Nyelv's overconfidence against him, but it would've been riskier since Nyelv was his direct superior.
- Soooooooooooooooooooo, if the mushroom Granute had decided not to break Mr. Shioya's Hito Press, then what would've happened to it?
To anyone familiar with the basics of negotiation, the answer is very simple: He would've used it as a bargaining chip in a negotiation with Hanto/KR Valen. At the most crucial moment in episode 6 @ 21:16 when he was about to be finished off by Hanto/KR Valen, he would've told Hanto/KR Valen that Mr. Shioya had actually been still alive, shown him his real Hito Press, and told Hanto/KR Valen that Mr. Shioya's Hito Press that had been left at the crime scene had actually been just the fake one. Hanto/KR Valen would've been very very
very
grateful if he had found out that Mr. Shioya had been actually alive and well, so, instead of killing the mushroom Granute, he would've been immensely grateful for his intel.
Gavv 06 @ 21:16
- The mushroom Granute would've then told Hanto/KR Valen about Nyelv's and Kenzou's scheme, because, naturally, Hanto/KR Valen would've been really, really,
really
pissed off at anyone who had tried to use Mr. Shioya's death as a cheap bait to manipulate him. In exchange for his intel, the mushroom Granute would've asked for Hanto/KR Valen's protection from Nyelv's incoming retaliation. Hanto/KR Valen, being morally indebted to the mushroom Granute in the most immense way possible, would've then definitely agreed to this proposal, since at this point it's crystal clear they both had had the same common enemies: Nyelv and Kenzou.
- I can hear the writers loudly making an excuse again, "b-B-bUt zOlDa, iF tHe mUsHrOoM gRaNuTe hAd dArEd tO bEtRaY nYeLv, tHeN hE wOuLd'Ve bEeN hUnTeD dOWn aNd kIlLeD bY nYeLv aNd oR hIs aGeNtS!" Weeeeeeeeeellllllllll, what had he got to lose? Nyelv had already planned to have him dead anyway (by having him be killed by Hanto/KR Valen), so, whatever choice he made almost no difference. If he had obeyed Nyelv's order, then he would've been killed by Hanto/KR Valen. On the other hand, if he had defied Nyelv's order, then he would've been killed by Nyelv himself and or his agents. I said
almost
no difference, because if had defied Nyelv's order and chosen to save Mr. Shioya's Hito Press, then he would've at least had a 50-50 chance of getting help from Hanto/KR Valen who would've thanked him for saving Mr. Shioya's Hito Press and leaked the intel about Nyelv's and Kenzou's cahoots.
Maaaaannnnn, if the mushroom Granute had really dared to betray Nyelv and at least try to throw a wrench into his scheme, then he could've been a very interesting villain in this atrocious story. Although his attempt could've failed, at least it would've shown Nyelv that his perfectly smooth, clean (read: sanitized), sterile scheme might've not been perfect. Among all the other villains with pretty much room temperature IQ (especially Lango Mango the stupidest CEO villain who was totally oblivious of Nyelv's scheme for pretty much the whole story until Bocca came along), if he had just had a bit of common sense, then he could've shined as the best one, although he was just a minor weekly villain-of-the-week. But of course, instead of writing characters with common sense, the writers and producers chose to write characters with zero common sense and combine them with a gazillion of plot conveniences, simply in order to craft the most pathetically, laughably, indefensibly lazy, cheap, sloppy, heavy-handed, and atrocious story with the most uber-convoluted plots. No wonder it's very hard to relate with almost all the characters in this atrocious story. They're not characters. They're mere narrative tools.
*mass facepalm
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