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KAMEN RIDER X SUPER SENTAI: SUPER HERO TAISEN
originally posted on December 16th, 2021, as part of “
Kamen Rider Die rewatches Legend Rider projects (and more!)
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An exciting movie, with terrific action and a million characters… that I utterly despise if I think about what it’s saying for more than a minute.
Well, maybe not “utterly despise”. That’s overly harsh. I do
genuinely hate
what this movie ends up saying at its conclusion, though. After an entire film of Tsukasa and Marvelous putting lives in jeopardy and humiliating their friends, we get a Tsukasa speech that, hand to god, is just him going A Real Hero Knows The Ends Justify The Means. Like,
look at this garbage
:
I literally had to get up and walk away after that triumphantly-scored (!!!) moment. Yonemura had the goddamn anniversary-level
balls
to have a superhero tell a villain that any action is justified if the end result is a defeated villain. OH MAN! No!
No no no no no!
I hate that lesson so much that I will always resent this movie for having it as a moral.
The path to get to that moral is equally insulting. Decade and Gokai Red’s plan to gaslight both friends and enemies alike is riddled with logical problems. Like, the gimmick is that both Tsukasa and Marvelous are hiding other heroes in a pocket dimension, so the villains will think they’re dead. Tsukasa and Marvelous do this personally, with a purple-colored attack. And then they
rain fire
down on their friends. And then they send
other villains
after the heroes that only they can protect. What if General Shadow just murders, like, a Magiranger? Or if DaiZangyack’s ship obliterated Fourze? The entire plan falls apart if anyone other than Decade or Gokai Red attack the heroes… and step one of the plan is to take over armies of villains and send them against the heroes.
(Also, best part is Rider Hunter Silva going No Riders Detected as the villains make their move...
while Gokai Green is about twelve feet away
. Is... is that all that was necessary to hide the various heroes?! Keeping them behind rubble? In a robot's blindspot? Amazing. So dumb!)
It’s a shockingly cruel plan, even if I can sort of see Tsukasa trying it. (I don’t know Marvelous, so maybe it’s similarly believable that he’d shit all over his friends and team-up with the very villains he spent a season eliminating?) Tsukasa deciding all on his own to enact a plan with a hero he just met that might piss off all of his friends… it sort of tracks? It’s
reckless
, and that’s very much Tsukasa’s M.O. when it comes to plans. It’s dangerous and insulting, and then the end result is all of the Sentais and all of the Riders being in one place to stop the villains from completing a scheme they only attempted because they thought Marvelous and Tsukasa got rid of the other heroes. It’s like dousing your best friend’s home in gasoline, and then leaving a book of matches on their front doorstep, all so you can catch any would-be arsonists. Worse, it’s like trying to catch a
known
arsonist in the act. Like, why don’t the Riders and Sentai just, like, fight the villains from the start? Why all the subterfuge, when the only things that were gained were a) terrorized friends, and b) an army that didn’t need to be tricked into showing up? It’s a long way to go for an ending that’s just All Of The Heroes Fight At The Quarry, a thing they do more-or-less every season anyway.
The most frustrating part of the story to me is that Diend actually calls Tsukasa out on it, and he’s
right
, and then the movie throws it all away.
Again, can’t speak to the Sentai part, but it’s way more interesting to watch this movie after watching Decade. The real throughline of the movie (for me, at least) is how Kaitou and Tsukasa navigate their toxic relationship. There’s plenty of stuff about putting aside differences or reaching out to people or how The Greatest Treasure Is Friendship (
gross
), but I love how this movie really drills into how much Kaitou and Tsukasa need each other. Even in the midst of trying to make everyone in the universe think he’s a bad guy, Tsukasa sort of breaks character to try and recruit Kaitou. The real climax of the film for me isn’t the bullshit We Fooled You/We Fooled You Into Thinking You Fooled Us stuff that Marvelous and Tsukasa smirk at the villains with. It’s when Kaitou is furious that Tsukasa would consider their friendship/”friendship” collateral damage; acceptable losses.
He’s 100% right, Kaitou. It was a lazy plan by our “heroes”, and it presumes that they can be forgiven as long as no one dies. It’s nearly sociopathic in its disregard for people’s feelings. Tsukasa could’ve easily told Kaitou what was going on, just like Marvelous could’ve told the Gokaigers. All of this villainous subterfuge is just cruelty dressed up in nobility, and it’s disgusting. Kaitou’s dead right to tell Tsukasa that he was worse than a supervillain; he was an
asshole
.
But then Kaitou tilts into Psycho Ex territory, and the movie loses its thread.
I mean, I
sort of
like how Kaitou’s reaction to Tsukasa valuing all of these Riders and Sentais over what he had with Kaitou is Okay Fine
Die With Them
Then. Kaitou doesn’t really care about Riders or Sentais in the aggregate. He might care about Gokai Blue as a
person
, but he doesn’t particularly value other superheroes for any innate reasons. The idea that Tsukasa would destroy their relationship for the sake of strangers would naturally (for a toxic version of “naturally”) make Kaitou want to put those strangers in some sort of jeopardy. I don’t know that Kaitou forming a giant robot and trying to murder decades worth of superheroes works for me, though. It’s like Tsukasa’s plan: it’s too much, too fatal. It treats the safety of everyone else as obligatory, ensured. Like, this is just Kaitou throwing a tantrum at being ignored, don’t worry about it, let him get it out of his system. It’s less fun if the movie can’t treat it seriously?
But, I don’t know, the rest of the movie is pretty fun. The plot is really nothing. It’s just a ragtag group of survivors (two Gokaigers, Diend, and Hina from OOO) running around and watching cool Sentai and Rider fights. That’s it. They don’t really have a plan to stop their ex-friends from slaughtering other superheroes. It’s just Marvelous and Tsukasa’s weird scheme, front to back, which works out basically 100% correctly. (Even the Kaitou stuff just puts them back where they started.)
Still, y’know, a million superheroes! A fun cameo from the Den-O Imagin! Eiji’s in this about as much as Gentaro is! Great fights! (Best one for me was the early Gokai Red/Decade fight, where they kept using similar-themed suits, like Blade versus Spade Ace. I love when the match-ups get clever like that!) A massive battle at Kamen Rider Quarry! A finale that depends on continuity from
the Fourze HBV!
The story in this one is alternately illogical and offensive, but the fan-service and action are so good that I find myself working to forget the story.
Weird, weird movie. Incredibly successful as a celebration of tokusatsu; practically criminal in its stupidity and abhorrent morality.
—
THE REAL "SUPER HERO WAR" WAS THE FRIENDS WE MADE ALONG THE WAY
It’s really funny to rewatch this movie now, after having just concluded Episodes 31/32 of Kamen Rider Fourze, to see how this movie accidentally rhymes with that story. Where the Fourze episodes concluded an arc for Meteor all about how he lied and betrayed in the name of doing what he thought was right and trying to protect the people he cared about, but in doing so abandoned his principles and endangered others to the point where he was indistinguishable from the villains, this movie goes That, But Also No One Learns Anything. A Yonemura specialty, to take a classic toku plot and render it dramatically incomprehensible but aesthetically maximal.
And while we’re on the topic of things about this movie that popped more after rewatching shows, I really liked the Hina/Kaitou stuff here? I don’t know if this connected for me before, but she’s saddled with basically Blue Ankh for this movie, and that’s such a fun idea? (Yonemura has them!
In small doses!
) Kaitou is yet another self-involved pretty boy that prioritizes his own fulfillment over basically anything else, even as he’s emotionally connected to a Rider and therefore capable of doing the right thing under highly specific circumstances, rendering him
maybe
salvageable to someone like Hina – I Can Fix Him, but with a Henshin sequence.
(Speaking of Kaitou, there’s one extra thing I noticed this time that made me laugh. During the climax at Kamen Rider Quarry, Kuuga shows up, but it’s Shiny Kuuga, which means canonically it’s Onodera… who then gets “murdered” by Marvelous, to zero reaction from Kaitou. At first I’m like,
that’s a plothole, Kaitou adventured with that guy for months, he’d be motivated to do something if he got executed
, but then I was like,
No, Kaitou completely wouldn’t care if Onodera got killed by a Sentai, the film is right to have him not react.
)
Other than those couple of newly-relevant reads, this was the same ol’ Super Hero Taisen, one that’s both the definitive team-up film for its insane roster and comprehensive history, and one I’m happy to maybe never watch again because it's incredibly dumb and morally bankrupt. There’s real cleverness to the various match-ups and fights, and little moments for an absurdly high number of characters and forms – I always forget that the Den-O cast gets such a big look in, along with every OOO combo suit for some reason? But the Fourze and Go-Busters cast disappear for, like, 80% of the film, and have absolutely no emotional or narrative buy-in for the entire plot; the Horoscopes and Vagras never show up, even for a single scene. It’s a Gokaiger/Decade movie with special guest stars The Current TV Show Guys, despite
the marketing’s
reliance on recency bias.
And it’s an incredibly self-satisfied and callous film? For all of the Power Of Friendship talking (someone
did
watch Fourze!) and soundtracking, this is a movie where Gokai Blue gets inadvertently psychologically tortured by Marvelous for 75 minutes, before completely forgiving Marvelous when it turns out that he wasn’t
betrayed
, he was only
lied to non-stop
. The main theme of the film is that The Ends Justifies Means, up to and including deceiving those closest to you in the name of more expedient justice. Again, sort of the exact opposite lesson from the then-airing Fourze!
YONEMURA!!!
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