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Saban Brands vs PR Actors
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05-12-2013, 05:57 PM
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MnemonicSyntax
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You're really painting an oversimplified and quite frankly dishonest picture. You make it seem like making the trip would be a certain and instant financial catastrophe equivalent to the actor in question blowing up their small business in a tokusatsu style explosion with their family inside. It's dramatic, misleading, and unnecessary. Nobody's being asked to destroy their lives to participate. All it takes is a little planning and a person can take a trip at their own expense without it meaning financial oblivion. In fact, millions of people do it every day, traveling for recreational purposes, or to attend special events like reunions. It absolutely CAN be financially responsible with a little effort.
And you're making the claim it won't. But, here's the thing. I've got that same social media on my side of this discussion with several actors saying they don't find it worth it financially to go to New Zealand (see: Steven Cardenas, Matt Austin) not worth it because of their time on set (see: David Yost) and other actors who don't even know what Megaforce is (see: Melanie Valejo). All this "dishonesty" yet I've got actors saying otherwise and the same thing I'm saying to you!
Do you have 2000 bucks and an entire day to fly out to New Zealand? The average Joe does not. For many of these people, they are average Joes.
So far, you keep digging yourself deeper with these examples.
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If you're a former Power Ranger, there's really no excuse to NOT know about MegaForce. I mean, you really have to be living under a rock or willfully ignoring it to have no concept that the show still exists. And that claim is total bullshit considering that these same people who have moved on are the ones who have taken to social media to complain about the poor pay or the short notice. They can't be that unplugged.
But they are! I've proved it to you! Let me break it down for you.
- They got the invite. The invite was rescinded.
- They got the invite. Notice is too short.
- They got the invite. They don't want to go because it's not financially worth it.
- They got the invite. They don't want to go because they're not interested in dealing with Saban anymore based on how they were treated on the set.
- They didn't get the invite. They don't even know what Megaforce is.
- They didn't get the invite. They're upset they didn't and want to go, but continue to bring up how it's not worth it, financially.
What do you not get man? You don't believe these people when they say it's not worth it to go? How is any of that their fault?
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I'm sure that since Gokaiger aired in Japan, they've been hearing the chatter about it from fans through social media. So anyone who claims to have been caught totally off guard by this, it's just weak excuse.
Are you serious. Not everyone follows Super Sentai. It's not as big as you think it is. It has a niche fandom in the US, but widely popular in Japan. Even then, it's highly isolated!
And, Gokaiger isn't Power Rangers. Stop comparing the two.
How can you sit here and judge the actors (that you respect and love, I might add) but when they flat out say any of the aforementioned laundry list of issues why going isn't going to work for them, it's a weak excuse. No, it's not! You don't live their lives! You don't know what they do, their financial situations, life issues, etc.
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Don't get me wrong, I'm not taking Saban's side here. I just want to see MegaForce be as good as it can be. Saban screwed up. We get it. Shame on them. But that's an awfully sour note to simply leave things on. I want as much as anyone to see the actors be paid fairly for their time, and I don't want them to be faced with financial hardship as a result of participating. But the standoff does nobody any good. So rather than simply dwelling on Saban's screw up with the first move, it would be nice to see the actors come back with something constructive and start the conversation that might lead to a better outcome.
That's not going to happen. Saban had his chance to make things better over the years and didn't. He's a cheapskate and everyone knows it. The actors that are coming forward and are interested and are going, nothing will change for them. They're still not going to get paid for their time, and the burden lies on them to "make it right for the fans" when Saban did this in the first place. The fact that you're suggesting that the actors "make the first move to make it better" proves that you know Saban won't budge.
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Instead they're complaining to third parties, and as valid as their grievances may be, it helps nobody. All it does is continue to polarize the debate, and the result is folks like you who simply think Saban = evil and the actors = good and don't really care about anything else.
Again, you're laying the guilt on the fans. You know, the same ones that you're speaking for. I'm not saying Saban is evil. I'm not saying the actors are good. It's not about that. It's not about trying to make things "right" for one shot in front of the camera. To them, that's not worth it. Saban, financially speaking, is a genius. If his plan was to get people in suits and be the "Power Rangers of the past" then that's smart of him. The bottom line is to sell toys. They don't make toys of civilians, they make toys of Rangers. That is what will sell.
Just because Saban is a cheapskate doesn't mean he's evil.
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While you see me as selfish fan #451342, I see 451,342+ fans who want to see MegaForce not suck. So it would be nice to see some of the actors, on behalf of those fans, reach out to Saban and at least try to make it work (even if in the end it doesn't), ideally with some sort of compromise.
Yes, I know what you want. But again, the other fans you're speaking of... here even, at Tokunation... they understand that doing this isn't a great idea. Most of the actors have reached out to fans and have stated the reasons why. I'm sick of repeating them to you. If you respect them so damn much, maybe respect their decisions too.
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Increase the budget a little, delay the filming, re-invite some of the uninvited rangers, something to make it better than the shitty situation we have right now. I don't think that's selfish. I think it's a lot more selfish to refuse to even try simply because "I don't want to and you can't make me!" or there's not enough money in it.
It is selfish. You're not getting it. You want them to show up on film for your glorious children's show (that the target audience doesn't even recognize in the least) and have them drop everything in their lives to do it.
And now you're insulting the actors as well. Let them live their lives.
And lastly, again. How old are you? You seem to not have idea what priorities are, do you?
Again, these guys aren't doing you any favors because they owe you nothing. Stop pretending like they do.
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