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Originally Posted by ryan

As a huge fan of the original series, and all of the films, including Final Frontier, I disagree with you. If there's one problem with Kirk in the original series, it's that he's always right, and his mistakes never have any cost. Does he even do anything that can be called a mistake in TOS?

One of the reasons Wrath of Khan is the best film is we see him make mistakes and it costs people their lives. He does act flat out retarded when Reliant approaches Enterprise while not responding to hails, so he doesn't raise shields and people die. Scotty's nephew dies. Seeing him have to deal with that through the film is what makes him a human being. In fact, you could say that the damage to the ship that ultimately cause Spock's death is due to Kirk's mistakes. In Into Darkness he's just younger and far less experienced when making mistakes, which is what being young is supposed to be for. I think the filmmakers and the cast have done excellent jobs at respecting the original crew and fans, and at the same time, made their own personal touches.

Star Trek Into Darkness was amazing!

I thought everything was fantastic. It won't displace Wrath of Khan as my favorite Star Trek film, but it does displace Undiscovered Country as my second favorite. The action was great, and I think the character moments were worthwhile and interesting. Cumberbatch was great, but so was Admiral Marcus and Pike and everybody. I have no complaints at all.


And since my wife was sick last night and couldn't go (I saw it with my cousin), I get to go see it again next week sometime, with her.

Kirk was a product of his time, PineKirk is just rubbish. I'd rather a character who never makes a mistake, than a character who never gets anything right. Everything that actually went okay in Into Darkness was when other people were in the Captains chair or when other people had to bail Kirk out. There is a big difference between a hot headed, in experienced younger Kirk and someone who needs a bib because he's dribbling down himself.

The character moments, you mean all two of them?

And Cumberbatch was my favourite because he is basically the only thing that really works in the film, as everything about him is told through facial expressions and explosions which is all the film is made up of.