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Originally Posted by Locke

Personally I believe they obviously are but really instead what interests me about this debate is the contradictory nature of gamers themselves.

They want their medium to become a normality, to be accepted by the majority much like comics, movies etc and yet they also want a medium to be exclusively for gamers, that doesn't cater to masses and general audiences, 'causals'.

It's one or the other, buddy.

That's definetly the biggest hurdle to this whole thing. I want to say it is something that would just pass with time, but a certain image board dug up a bunch of Usenet gaming posts and... well...

Shit's cyclical, yo.

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Originally Posted by ComicGuy89

Shadow of the Colossus single-handedly convinced me games can be art.

Gonna have to add Okami and Child of Eden/Rez to that.

I think the appehension of gamers opening up their world is because developers take advantage of the market and flood it wifh cheap junk games solely for earning a profit like on the DS and on mobile platforms.[/QUOTE]

To be completely fair, the same thing happens to the movie industry. For every blockbuster, you have 3-4 films coming out to ride the coattails of what's big.

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Originally Posted by losondro

look at Halo, but take away the shooting for a moment and just look at the design of the environments, the characters, ETC.

No yeah, the series has great art direction. I'm not too thrilled with how the games are heading, but the art and aesthetics are still something I enjoy about the series, ESPECIALLY the Forerunner landscapes and buildings.

I highly recommend the art books that they release for the brand. Great stuff.