[SPLIT LIP]

Let's systematically break down every aspect of both shows to show where Whee-zort needs improvement at this point, (where I'm watching) shall we?

-The main guy. Haruto doesn't come close to the level of character, character backstory, motivation or charm of Eiji.

-Plot. The story is a reactionary situation with no obvious plans for the villains besides "make more Phantoms" which they suck at. OOO had the Greeed fighting for core medals and making yummies for cell medals, which they were reasonably effective at. (one good thing about musical medals was that at least it meant the villains achieved something real now and again) We were also seeing actual character interactions and story amongst the villains in OOO at this point.

-Gimmick and action. The forms are boring and basic in Wizard, as well as just way too freaking samey for "achieved" forms. OOO combos were all different looking and had different powers and uses.

-Everyone else. The secondary cast for the hero was quite good in OOO, with the mysterious benefactor on one hand, Ankh on the other, and Hina and the diner lady just kinda shootin' the shit in the background. Brotou was wicked, Ankh was great. Here we have Stinko the world's shittiest detective; Shampoo the human stomach ulser, Kyomi the... Hina of the show, and that guy who makes the rings. Oh, and the donut cart thing and it's barely-there assistant.

-Chumps 'o' the week. The yummy parents are presented as greedy (sometimes) people who learn their lesson through tough love. The one staht are suppsoed to be sympathetic are truely sympathetic, unlike all the gates who we're supposed to feel sorry for but can really go jump off a bridge.

-Uh... Oh, and white Wizard. Or "that guy who's there sometimes."

Seems like OOO ticks all the boxes while Wizard doodles a picture of a cat at the bottom of the page.

Quote:

Originally Posted by KRX

They haven't explained it yet. There is that hypothesis circulating that perhaps a Wizard is needed to obtain the Philosopher's Stone, which is why Wiseman needs Haruto alive.

Which makes not a damn bit of sense at this point since the Phantoms rather obviously want him out of the picture.

Oh good, I have retcons and contrivances to look forward to.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matrixbeast

I feel they're dumber.
In Fourze, they needed Fourze to aggravate the Zodiarts to find Horoscopes, initially (This sentence makes sense when you watch Fourze )
In OOO, they were severely weakened due to losing most of their medals.
In Double, they never considered Double to be a threat.

Nailed it.

Also in OOO they were fighting eachother a lot because they're all greedy assholes, and much liek the Decepticons of any given show, had pretty interesting in-fights. They gave it their best shot at teamwork, but honestly once they dropped the pretenses of workign togther they were more successful for the most part. And in W, they didn't know who he was for most of the time and, no flies on W here but, he never permanently halted their plans, and when he did, well, they fought plenty. Also the villains in W were real people who were public figures and couldn't just run out in the middle of a crowd and transform to fight. (until the end when they didn't give a shit. See; the villains developed over time!)