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Okay, a lot of what you say here doesn't have a lot to do with what we're talking about, so I'm only going to respond to what is in an attempt to streamline our posts.

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Originally Posted by Locke

You shouldn't use the shows pacing as a reflection on the character. Haruto is sound the show just gives him very little focus because it wastes all its time on the Gate of the week.

You typo'd or autocorrected or something so I'm not sure what you're saying, but yes, I can absolutely use the show's pacing as a reflection of the character, because the show's pacing affects EVERYTHING IN IT.

People have a habit of pointing out aspects as if they standalone, not remembering that all these terms like 'pacing' go together to make the show what it is, and they all affect eachother. If anything you are just reinforcing my arguement taht teh show has no redeemign factros if it's pacing is affecting an otherwise acceptable character.

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Really the criticism of the lack of insight into Haruto as a Rider is a flaw I'd have with all of Kamen Rider,

Except it isn't, and you can't even come close to saying that. I just went on an abridged tirade about Shotaro's character and what we find out about him in the first sixteen episodes. Ditto Shinji. Haruto has no excuse.

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It's like Date right, love the character, but I would have rather there was no bullet subplot and instead he was hurting simply because of the effect the suit has on its body. No matter how hard the show tries to make him feel like Ironman his general lack of interest in the suit and its powers reduces it to feeling as plasticy as it actually is.

Except you see, I feel like that would be the easy and typical way out. Hell, you yourself complained about Eiji's initial strain from combos.

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Haruto's humour is usually in the form of wry comments, I guess if you don't have a dry sarcastic sense of humour you might not even pick up on what he is saying as jokes.

Oh wow, you actually used "it's not the show, it's you." Almost word-for-word.

Haruto does not have a wry sense of humour, he has no sense of humour unless it's to the really silly stuff. And even then it's forced and unnatural. To put it bluntly, you're making up excuses and character aspects that don't exist.

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Also there is more to Wizard than the White Wizard and you're just being facetious now, so I feel no reason to debate that at all.

Yeah, I'm sure that's it.

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Originally Posted by Locke

I didn't realise I'd need to disclaimer this every time but as people are clearly very forgetful *out of the shows I have seen. Not every Rider series since the dawn of mankind.

Maybe there are all these other shows that do Haruto better but so far I've come across a lot more goofs than I have characters of any substance or depth and that is why I find both Haruto and Eiji so enjoyable.

Well, that doesn't help your point, since you've only seen like, what, four? five?

It also doesn't help that you never mention which series you've seen. And the way you talk you basically imply you've seen, like, the entire Heisei era when you list off, like, four riders and then say "much, much more."

And the thing is, you mention you've seen more "goofs" then Haruto and Eiji, which basically means you're callign Gentaro, Shotaro, Ryoutaro and Godai "goofs." Can't speak for Godai and I'll give you Gen, but no way in any sensible hell are Shotaro and Ryoutaro "goofs." Again, do yourself a MASSIVE favoure and at least check out the W portion of the W and Decade movie so you can finally at least get a hint of what's to immediately come in W. You could not have picked a worse time to bail on that show. Ryoutaro is far from a goof. Even when he's meek and timid he's not a goof. He's got terrible luck and is the butt end of slapstick, but he himself is not goofy, just terribly unfortunate,