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Originally Posted by Kamen Rider Lucha

You're acting like there's one human brain we all share, and it's in your head.

And you completley missed the point. Whatever.

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Fair enough. Though I'd argue that he just doesn't have the vocabulary (or maybe just the patience) to articulate why he thinks the series is a masterpiece.

Then he shouldn't be at all surprsied to have it challenged.

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Are you calling his opinion wrong?

Are you calling my opnion wrong?

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Are you ruling out all standards of a masterpiece that don't match your own?

As much as I'm sure you'd just love to disagree, quality can be judged objectively.

Now, wether someone likes something regardless of quality is something else entirely.

You seem awfully intent to try and cut out the legs of my arguement than face it head on, by pulling the INCREDIBLY weka and petty "opinion" card. (seemingly unaware it ALSO cuts the legs off of yours and his arguements)

Yes, everyone's opinions are different yet equal, do not insult me by assumign I don't. But when you are judging what is esoteric and intangible, you have nothing but "your" standards and your perception. I can not give you a diagram or model of a standard. It is not something I can find or touch.

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It's one thing to try to understand a person's opinion, but given your flippant tone, that's not what you're doing. You're backing him into a corner.

You seem unaware of the discussion at large.

"Flippant" is saying something is a masterpiece. He did not say he "thought" it was a masterpiece, but that it WAS, and I was wrong.

If you truely cared about opinions, you'd not be trying to scratch at my ankles. I NEVER said he was wrong. HE did. HE said I was wrong, and that I was alone in my wrong opinion. He said that, I've quoted him saying it.

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And that lack of imagination and insistence on logic is why modern Superman comics sell like shit and are mostly terrible.

Nope.

THAT is opinion.

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For the record, My favorite recent Superman story is All-Star Superman.

Me, too!

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I think that's a common opinion. That story features a Superman strong enough to move Earth out of it's orbit. You may not buy that silver age nonsense in the simple stories from the 60s, but that same nonsense works in the context of ASSM because the emotional logic is sound. Grant Morrison proved that you can have crazy things happen randomly so long as your character reacts in a way that's true to his psychology.

Now you see, this is actually a good position that does change my mind on a few things...

But ultimately still supports my arguement, as it happens. As you said, the emotional logic is sound. Basically, you will accept ASSM's leaps of logic because of it's presentation, and it's narrative significance. Kuuga's leaps of logic don't exist for those reasons. They exist to be flashy, overdone, and be "epic" without any proper grounding or emotional narrative weight. They're a cheap out in creating suspense and grand-scale imagery, rather than being the logical conclusion set by events in or outside the story.

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After this post, I kind of see that you're arguing that a strong internal logic is vital to fostering suspension of disbelief. But I also believe that suspension of disbelief can sustain some breaches in logic, so long as they're rare, if most of the other logical areas are strong and sound.

Essentially.

That breach in logic though, that's too much. You just cannot kick a planet and make it explode. There's nothing to be gained from that type of action other than a false idea of 'epicness' as the kids say.

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Where we disconnect most is when you seem to imply that there is a universal set of logical proofs that exist to provoke suspension of disbelief in every person. That if you tick off enough boxes on this imaginary list, that suspension of disbelief is automatically achieved for everyone. Maybe I'm misinterpreting you, But that's far from true.

You are mis-interpreting me.

I'm not saying everyone's limits are the same, but everyone has limits. And as a species with culture and society, those limits are often close.

Obviously my stance is not alone, not that I care if it is, or else EVERY series would have this kind of over-the-top imagery.

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Originally Posted by Kamen Rider Lucha

That suspension of belief isn't as fragile as Split makes it seem...

It's not that suspension of disbelief is fragile, it's that Kuuga's stupid kick was such a vicious blow to it, as Locke pointed out.

I mean ultimately your entire arguement here has been semantics.