[SPLIT LIP]

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Originally Posted by Sentai

I think you're arguing just to argue at this point. But on the chance you're not.

Then you quite clearly don't get my point.

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Allow me to school.

*Cracks knuckles*

We got a tough guy over here!

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The reason that destruction happens in the present at the same time it happens in the past is because when you change something in the past it affects the present. Marty allowed Old Biff to give Young Biff the Gray's Sports Almanac and look what happened to 1985. Same thing applies here. Because the Imagin hadn't gone into the past yet do to the damage there was nothing destroyed in modern day Japan. But when he went back through the Time Portal and began wrecking the past, it had to change in the future.

So answer me this:

Why then, does a building without supports stand for years, only to collapse in the present? Where are the explosions coming from? We see a truck smash through supports in the past, then cut to the present and see a bridge with missing supports, jagged pieces and all, collapse after it had alread collapsed years ago. We see it collapse twice. How? How did all these buildings maintain for years without any support? They should just dissapear, cease to exist, not collapse twice. What logic is that?

For all your chest-puffing and wanting to one-up me with your interwebs smarts, you seem to have jumped to the (entirely wrong) conclusion that I somehow don't think the past affects the present? For the record, I love BTTF, have watched the movies numerous times. They had the right idea. Den-O does not. That's like if the second pine got run over in the past, then just appeared flattened and dead in the present versus fading away. Or the Twin Pine Mall sign stayed the Twin Pine Mall instead of Lone Pine. How cna these things exist now if they were destroyed long ago? It's simple cause and effect. Doc explained it in BTTF2 on the calkboard. The moment the past was changed, an alternate timeline was created. Either Ryoutaro is part of that timeline, or he's not. Either way, he should have no way of viewing the destruction happen, as he is not in that time period. The buildings would either be fine because he's in the unaltered timeline, or dissapear because they've been smashed for years in the alternate timeline.

Of course events in the past affect the present, but that's just it. The present should only be seeing the effects, not the damage itself. That is in the past. If I went back in time ten years and killed my friend by shooting him in the head, why would he drop dead in the present when he's been dead since 2004? Would he just have never have made it to 2014? He'd dissapear and reappear a rotting corpse in the ditch I left him in.

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That and it's a show where young men and women use belts to transform into Fruit Samurai, Astronauts with Fast Food Robots, and Vampire Bats. So I don't think reality applies.

I love these comments.

"The subject matter is fantastcal and outlandish, therefor I should turn my brain off and accept every stupid thing the show throws at me, because science fiction doesn't deserve continuity or a strong narrative."

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Just saying.

"Just sayin'" If you want to complete the tough guy affect, you've gotta lose the "g."

But thanks for blowing up at me in the most condescending way possible and 1. assuming I somehow don't understand that cause and effect is a thing, and 2. utterly failing to make your point regardless.

I love Den-O, and it's later depictions of cause/effect qwuite clearly show that even the writers thought buildings collapsing twice was stupid, since stuff just dissapears in a pop or fade. The building thing makes even LESS sense given Den-O's explanation for time travel, in that the "past" is merely people's memories, and without memories, there is no history. Everyone would remember the buildings collapsing, and reality would alter to fit that memory, thus the buildings simply would not be there.

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Originally Posted by SideswipePrime

But, I do remember SPLITLIP saying that "You wouldn't think that they'd rebuild the buildings? Why do they remain destroyed in the present?" and...I have to agree there. I understand people who died in the past suddenly disappearing in the present, but the buildings are a pretty different story.

I never said that. I never said anything like that. And even if I did, I'd still ask what's causing the buildings to collapse in the present?

I am convinced nobody nows what I'm talking about.

So imagine that bridge that the truck smashed through, yeah? In 2000-whatever, it's supports give out and it collapses. The Rubble falls, etc, and eventually it's cleaned up. The bridge is either repaired, or further dismantled, with all the materials being carried off and disposed of or recycled whatever makes you happy. So in 2007, after years of the bridge being gone and being someplace else, albiet in pieces, it reappears with people on it, just to collapse all over again for no reason.

HOW?