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PMLG's KR Hibiki Fansub Thread
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10-08-2014, 01:18 AM
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I'd like to state that I'm trying my best to remain impartial in this discussion of theft.
Just to clarify that I am one of the staff members of their team as a typesetter, timer, SD encoder, and a distributor, and I don't touch the scripts provided. I'm also one of the Kamen Rider Wiki's Administrators as well, so like Kickback, I take theft seriously as well. PM11 and I are also not very close either. We only contact each other when we need to do work to release content.
The truth to the matter is that we've seen other subbers do this same type of treatment. Anime subbing groups are most frequent to blatantly just use other people's work with better video and audio and sometimes doesn't even credit them. ie. Coalgirls, Elysium Subs, Final8, Baaro, Commie, Horriblesubs, AE, etc.
Now here's where there might be some type of bias.
I've given a huge amount of thought into whether or not PM11 really plagiarizes or not. Sure he may use other subbers for reference, but as far as I'm concerned, both Hibiki and Gorenger are very hard to translate according to people who supposedly know Japanese. So that's all fine and dandy, but like what the others said in this thread, PM11 is the only one who simply cared enough to attempt Hibiki using high quality DVD raws and pre-existing/edited/completely scratched subtitles. He worked on translating Never Surrender alone while I was contacting him back before the official lyrics were even given and before Music Arms was even released with its lyrics on the scans. Doing things by ear means he doesn't have closed captions and that he can't just shove everything into "google translate", right?
Hell, even TV-N's "Even if i'm the devil" mistake still turned out to be perfectly fine because while it was an oversight on Sagara (and they had closed captions). It was revealed that he was a
manifestation of Helheim itself and that he is the one who favors destruction to create rebirth and is ultimately the person who tempts people into getting power
. Now I know Aesir's Magenta literally did a roadkill on Takenoko for that line. However, it somewhat worked out in the end. Subbing differences aside, both subs were completely competent and both had their own fair share of stupid mistakes.
I personally do not understand the hate with PM11, but if anyone who dislikes him for being "unable to translate" and is a translator.. Why not try to aid him to do Hibiki instead of pouncing him to death? By helping him do Hibiki or by doing Hibiki completely on your own, you're doing the community a favor by enjoying a Kamen Rider series in its highest video quality available and with tolerable subs that is still better than "Don't molest the lawyer".
I really advise that everyone should just get along. But if everyone insists that PM11 is what they claim he is, maybe someone else should step up to the plate and translate Hibiki as competition from scratch to prove PM11's alleged plagiarism.
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