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Originally Posted by AgileSiamang7

Kazari had what exactly as his motivation again? Besides being a dick to Maki's doll and taking the other Greed's medals for shits, giggles, and SCIENCE (except not really, he just wanted to be a dick and get more power. Which is, you know, a boring villain motivation). Seriously, what was wither Kazari or Uva's motivations besides more power? Survival doesn't require taking your fellow Greeds medals, that's just being a dick for spite. If they actually wanted their medals that badly, they would have regularly teamed up against OOO and finished him off. Instead, they went about making Yummy's to obtain more power, and playing with human emotions here and there for kicks.

Sure, Mezool had her "wanting to know what love is?", but all we got from that was pretending to care about Gamel for most of the season, then dropping him like a hat in her last appearnce and kidnapping some mothers and their kids. Really great character arc there.

Gamel was just an innocent fool with evil powers and a slightly selfish attitude, like that of a kid. That's it.

I never said they stuck to their plan, but at the very least they had one from the beginning. Their nature as what they are - power mad, greedy monsters - obviously evolved the motivation beyond what it started out as being. Just because Cazali was a wildcard and maybe had different intentions from the rest didn't change the collective motivation from the start.

There was much more of a natural progression between wanting power to become whole, wanting power to defeat OOO, and wanting power for the hell of it - why stop at becoming whole? On top of that, that progression was hinted at from the beginning. By the time that whole scenario began going nowhere, Maki had already started to manipulate them, leading up to an actual climax for the series.

Also, the fact that what they needed to defeat OOO and what OOO needed to defeat them were the same things was a super compelling element to the Greeed as villains. The villains had an active contribution and a direct connection to the hero's power.

Keep in mind the original argument was not that the villains in OOO were great (as you said yourself, they're freaking kids show villains) but that they were better than the ones from Wizard. As far as I see, the Phantoms were just "~generally eeeevil, and poooowerful, and scaaaary!~" without any credible evidence that they were as much of a threat as they claimed to be. What does it matter if they are powerful and able to beat Wizard in a skirmish from time to time if that gets them nowhere as far as their goals are concerned? On top of all that, they lacked any charm or heart that might make them identifiable.