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Originally Posted by SideswipePrime

I liked it I wish it took more risks, but I can understand why they played it safe. I was not expecting it to be basically Episode 4, but hey. Also, when Han died, one dude was like "I didn't expect that" and I almost said "Really? I was." as soon as Han started walking towards his son I was like "HE DED!!!" Interesting to see how he was the Obi-Wan of this movie. I really liked Fin, and Rey was cool. I was surprised that Fin was a red herring in all the marketing, and he was in the movie as well, though the more it went on the more clear it became that this was more Rey's story. I was kind of surprised that we only got 30 seconds of Luke at the end, also wow Phasma did nothing, disappointing, since Disney was pushing her super hard. I'm sure glad I didn't buy into the hype and order her Figuart. Poor Han, no matter the continuity, his son becomes evil, but at least Jacen never killed his father. People say that Ben was whiny, and I disagree. He was more angry than anything else. Yeah, he threw a tantrum everytime something didn't go his way, but I mean...not all sith need to be brooding serious dudes. He's a kid who's confused, and i think they captured it well. It was executed far better than Anakin. I can understand why people might have a problem, because it reminds them of Anakin, but Kylo/Ben I think does that character type right, and does it well. Yeah, I'm now looking forward to "The First Order Strikes Back".



I'm fine with the movie being at it's base the same as Episode 4, I do kinda wish that they took some risks, but I can understand them wanting to play it safe here. It still was a good movie. I hope they switch things up and do their own thing in 8, which I think they will. I wouldn't go so far as to call it "nostalgia baiting" though.

By being nearly the same as episode 4 at the beginning and towards the end, how is it not nostalgia baiting? They don't seem to want to risk doing something too new, so they get everyone in the seats and keep them there by re-telling a New Hope with some add-ons (really well acted add ons, but with this plot they're still essentially add-ons) and the removal of older characters, in Han's case permanently (no problem with Han dying, besides the fact that they set it up pretty similar to Ben's death. I'd have no problem with the imagery/symbolism if the rest of that act wasn't the recreation of a New Hope). Everyone who seems to like this film is giving it a pass for basically doing the same thing it did the first time around, just one a bigger scale (more planets destroyed) and a different old man killed by a Sith. If any other movie or franchise did this, everyone would be hissing and booing, and I refuse to give Star Wars a pass just because I like some of their films before.

Even the parts that were it's own they just rushed. So R2-D2 just had the rest of the map to where Luke was and wouldn't wake up, even though he was safely in Resistance hands till that little piece was secured? He could have at least shown them that part of of the map, so they could send some forces to search their undercover, since apparently the First Order has apparently the same 90% map according to Ben, and you can be sure the sequel will have First Order forces playing a guessing game and scouring any planet in the area for Luke. Instead we just have Rey rush to him quickly, no problem, and movie ends with them sharing an awkward glance.

Part of the reason everyone and their mother kept hating prequel Anakin was because he whined like a child. Ben does the exact same, but he gets a pass. I don't disagree with people's view of Anakin, there's no denying that, but how is Kylo Ren anything other than a whiny fanboy of his Grandpa's bad half? Not all Sith are brooding, Dooku had a dignified way of handling himself, and Maul was just intimidating. Ren is basically everything people hated about the ruined Vader image, but now they're accepting it. Why, because he can stop a beam in mid-motion? That's cool, but it doesn't save his character. When he's holding Rey hostage he actually tries that nonsense Anakin was spouting on the Mustafar after slaughtering all those jedi: rationalizing his side as the good guys. Anakin tires to sound like some sort of justified person after killing little kids, and Ren calls the Resistance murderers after vaporizing 5 whole planets. If anything, Ren comes off worse.