[Kiwami]

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Originally Posted by Fish Sandwich

Admittedly, even I don't think Ghost is top ten material for how much I like it, but what I'm getting at is that when someone says something is the "best", they usually just mean it's their favorite. You can't take it at face value too much.

If that's the case I won't disagree, because I can't tell people if their enjoyment of a show is valid or not. It's just that I would've wrote something like "I think it's among the best", it was just the selection of words which threw me off a bit I guess.

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Originally Posted by Fish Sandwich

Sure, I guess, but can someone elaborate on that? The best I can think of is that the special effects were really weak sometimes, but now we have weak CG giant monsters and flying watermelons so I wouldn't consider that much of a difference.

I only watched Black but what I would call cheesy is stuff like the Killer Children Squad, the armadillo monster ejaculating on future astronauts to make copies of them, the whole episode where they kidnap people and turn them into psychics to then let them infiltrate companies to screw them up so that humanity ultimately goes bankrupt... this kinda stuff.

The plots are just so out of this world that together with the for our standards poor effects they seem to be cheesy. I don’t think the effects are bad mind you, I think Black does some amazing stuff, but for people who started/watch Heisei and modern shows and accepted how they do things Showa may seem like a step backwards.

And I'm fairly certain that there's even more crazy stuff to be found outside of Black that I haven't watched yet. So basically: Bad/silly things with "bad" effects = cheesy is what I'm guessing. This is the case for me at least. Or when they reuse the same plot over and over again and it gets worse every time.

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Originally Posted by Fish Sandwich

Apparently I'm not immune to making broad generalizations either. I do remember a lot of people being outright dismissive of it at the time (including before it even aired!), which is a real shame.

The irony wasn’t lost on me but I decided not to go there

I can't really remember that time since I was barely around here, it was before I became a regular so I don’t know how people reacted. I just know that I love Gaim and that I really liked the epilogue.