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Originally Posted by Annuga

True, but Gaim and Drive compensated their sillyness for enjoyable moments, likeable characters, and great stories, something I personally can't say I experienced too well in Ghost

And I find all three of those things to be in Ghost, so while that is, once again, a completely valid reason to dislike the show, I don't think it's grounds to call it crap.

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Originally Posted by Annuga

I GET it's his arc. I just think it's fucking stupid. Takeru blatantly said he's willing to help, but nooooo trust the guy who can't be trusted

Hey, remember when Kouta couldn't figure out Micchi was trying to kill him for like 15 episodes? What an IDIOT, right? Way to drag that one out, writers. Sure is handy Bravo never happened to be around for a fight scene with Zangetsu Shin until the plot decided Kouta should know he was a fake. They don't even set it up, Oren just jumps into frame in the middle of a scene for no reason other than to point that out.

I just said all that, but guess what? I forgive it. I don't think that's a big enough problem to hurt Gaim and it's only written like that because it serves its purpose. But when you go looking for holes in the logic of pretty much any show you're going to find them. That's just how it is.

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Originally Posted by Annuga

Takeru blatantly said he's willing to help, but nooooo trust the guy who can't be trusted

And he thinks Takeru is a wimpy idiot at that point, which is something I think you have in common with him. What good is his help? I know Saionji looks like a bad guy, and is, but Makoto doesn't, because he was being irrational. People are like that sometimes.

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Originally Posted by Annuga

I'd be constantly trying to find Specter in that scenario as my fucking life would be on the line, not go all "Ohhh, I got beaten up and he made me saaaaaaaad"

Well I'm glad you're so tough then! As far as Takeru's concerned, a guy who wants his Eyecons and can completely wipe the floor with him in a fight to get those Eyecons just showed up, so it seems natural enough to doubt your own chances at that point.

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Originally Posted by Annuga

40 fucking days.

It was actually about 14, which I think is a notable difference.

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Originally Posted by Annuga

I don't believe Takeru is the kind of character to mope around that long.

Well then as someone who's put an egregious amount of thought into this show since I found out it was apparently s***, and as someone who can actually remember most of the events, let me assure you self-doubt was the crux of his character throughout those first 11 episodes. You can call it dumb if you want, just like with Makoto, but it's very much in character. He's only human. He can't be all smiles all the time and the nature of his situation weighs down on him a lot.

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Originally Posted by Annuga

I've explained to you before that Newton pisses me off because it potentially conflicts with Takeru's ideals...Also, we SAW Billy the Kid get turned into an Eyecon, by Takeru's method of collecting Eyecons.

AHA! Little did you know I was merely baiting you with that remark (actually I forgot myself until I went to check right after I posted that). If Billy the Kid was summoned that way, who the hell's to say Newton and everyone else weren't too? Specter and Saionji could have easily been running around before and during the first 3 episodes getting Eyecons the same way. From there you can assume Yurusen got it from Eadith and just like that, you've cracked the mystery not even Shinnosuke could solve. You can still complain about them not explaining it in detail, but it makes sense.