[Matrixbeast]

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Originally Posted by Fish Sandwich

It's not the number, it's the way they're written. The three guys in Agito were all explicitly heroes who occasionally got into fights early on because *misunderstandings*.

In Ryuki you had more anti-heroic/villainous Riders who CONSTANTLY butt heads with our straight-laced hero. Guys like Kaixa and Chalice couldn't exist without guys like Ohja and Knight. That's what I was trying to get at. The concepts in Ryuki would've happened eventually, sure, but the way Ryuki did them really marked Heisei Rider moving into to its own style after the more straightforward stuff in Kuuga and Agito. Faiz and Blade in particular I feel are very close to Ryuki stylistically.

This idea is mildly misled. From the very beginning, Kamen Riders were forces of evil being used for good. There was always the place and setting for a villainous version of the characters. Ryuki may have created the first purely villainous Rider, but the idea doesn't exclusively come from Ryuki. Ever since the creation of Riderman, a pure villain Rider was always going to be an eventual creation. Ryuki being the one to do it doesn't actually change anything.

If the Riders in Agito were willing to get into fights over misunderstandings, then Chalice or Kaixa don't owe anything to Ohja when it comes to their eventual creations.