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Originally Posted by MaskedRiderAsakura

Eh. Kaixa and Chalice are sort of like how Another Agito was.

Yeah, but Another Agito was introduced relatively late in Agito and is still ultimately, distinctly, a good guy.

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Originally Posted by Matrixbeast

This idea is mildly misled.

Yeah, but is yours any better? I don't mean to be rude but I fail to see how the changes Ryuki made to the formula can't be credited TO Ryuki just because they were the result of outside forces or evolutions of existing things. Of course they were. Most things are. Kamen Rider has always gone with the times because of course it does, that's how it stays successful and relevant.

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If the Riders in Agito were willing to get into fights over misunderstandings, then Chalice or Kaixa don't owe anything to Ohja when it comes to their eventual creations.

This is a more subtle point than the other ones I was making so let me try and explain. It's a difference in tone and style.

In Agito, two Riders actually getting into a fight was an event. It didn't happen too often (and basically not at all after the halfway point). Most of the time you just saw the Riders fighting monsters, and a lot of the time individually.

In Ryuki onwards, it's a frequent thing, and the Riders have beef as people too. Faiz and Kaixa may not actually fight a whole lot, but Takumi and Kusaka are constantly bickering. This didn't happen AT ALL in Agito. The whole dramatic irony at play in that show was that the three leads didn't know each others' identities at first, and actually got along just fine.

Sure a card game was probably going to be jammed into Kamen Rider at some point, but I refuse to believe this would've. Yes, multiple Riders and evil Riders are all things that would happen with or without Ryuki, but the very specific WAY that Ryuki did it directly informed the way almost every show after would do it. Even a show as different from Ryuki as Ghost still does stuff like this.